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What a dumpster fire this thread has turned into 🤣

Ravenscraig has been a white elephant for 25 years now. Fir Park is our home, the goal should be a new main stand.

As the author I'm breaking my self imposed exile in the aftermath of Madwullie and Andy Patterson's passing. I didn't feel the need to do so when canvassing for votes in the recent WS election. It has saddened me to read how the thread has seemingly been hijacked for almost half it's content by talk of current bus routes in 2024 for a project that would not, even if given a green light, be a thing until the 2030's. Talk about running before you are even walking. Safe to say a stadium and any ancillary services within the footprint would be a draw for public transport provision, last time I looked First Bus is a commercial operation. There is also a rail line linking Wishaw and Carfin to the north of the site which may justify a station the same way Airbles got one 35 years ago. The most likely position before geotechnical surveys would be probably within 2km of Fir Park. If Dalziel plate mill does not last then I'd imagine the walk from the mini roundabout on Windmillhill Street near Crosshill Church would be less or commensurate to FP. More hassle if you live in Greenacres, less if you live in Jerviston. If you're looking at a move as how will it affect you personally opposed rather than how will it affect the club we collectively support then not only is it a bit short sighted but a little bit selfish. It's a document produced at it's core to provoke sensible and measured debate on where we are and where we could be going. The main things I hoped people would take is if a move actioned is a design that promotes atmosphere, the need for it to be used 24/7 both as an arena and in the other spaces within the building(s) and how due to the nature of our skewed league we could take advantage of that to our financial advantage and use the in part to finance it. We already have bowed to the sectarian pound with a skewed South/McLean stand after all, so we have previous. A new POD would involve that space currently offer unusable for 12-18 months, all significant matchday hospitality, rehoming the dressing rooms, offices, etc. It would not be allowed to alter much from the current floorplan or height due to planning laws. We would take a significant hit to do so. The Cooper is being assessed for a lift but probably it and the East/Hunter are OK with minor maintenance for 10-15 years. I was told the South faces a high six figure sum to fix it's issues and for a 30 year old structure you would expect that. Add all of these costs and disruption together, add in any land value (however not £6m as club accounts indicate) then you're on the way to putting a sizeable dent on a new home. A lot has been made of Brian's comments at the Q&A (not AGM) in early August where mintymac asked the question. I was at the meeting and you've got to give Brian's answer context, in the door a few months, no prior affiliation to the club or history, WS successfully beat off Erik .... at the time the subtext was let's all calm down and regroup. To commit at a fan Q&A to looking elsewhere would have been a nuclear bomb on both forums, facebook and twitter. The let's just plod on answer is one I would have given if CEO and asked the same question and I know 'Flow would have too (despite a preference to move).

C- on that reply as well. What's actually going on in here? Jesus.

Happily chop that thing in two LOL

Excellent post Stephen. I hope it stimulates informed long term discussion. This issue won't go away.

Look on the bright side . You get a free gas mask and ear plugs for that section

Moses and Robinson together didn't work against St Mirren. I would guess he will go back to Robinson up top by himself and bring Maswanhise back in.

Three of us buy our tickets together. That involved linking all our season ticket accounts so one person could buy the lot. So if all nine are ST holders linking the other 8 to your account might work. Not sure if there is a limit on joint purchase numbers though. Linking accounts does not stop folk buying their own individual tickets at other times. Easiest solution might be to phone the Office and explain the issue. Surely they would be happy to sort you out.

That would be your personal decision of course and we must respect that. However, I'm baffled as to why you would attend away games instead. The likes of McDiarmid Park, Easter Road, Tynecastle, Tannadice, Dens Park, Pittodrie and Victoria Park are not exactly cheap, easy or quick to get to, either by car or by publc transport.

After a few decades more watching us ,that will slowly have drained from them and reality will set in.😜 Then the expectations will be as low as mine.

Because I don't drive and going to somewhere out of town would be an issue - particularly as there are no buses that go to Ravenscraig from where I live just now apart from at night

I didnt say I was for or against. I just pointed out that there was a decent document showing the pros and cons of both sides. I found it quite interesting.

Clarke hasn't selected certain players not because he wants the U21s to benefit, but because he is a fucking idiot.