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I find the perspective of some of the comments on here regarding the disallowed goal and SK reaction to the decision a little strange. We are allowed as fans to be biased in favour of our own team. It is part of the game to look at the world through Claret and Amber specs. Rangers have made an art form over decades of putting pressure on match officials so that 50/50 decisions get viewed 55/45 in their favour. They have piled on the pressure since the league cup final and it has gained traction in the press. This is designed to make it more difficult for match officials to decide against them in future games (particularly the next OF game). They do this because it works. No conspiracy, no agenda on the side of the referees, it is just human nature to balance a decision on it's potential repercussions. The question I would ask is had the roles been reversed would Oxborough have benefited from the same decision in the same circumstances when the score was 2-0 or 2-1. I don't think he would because it would have been a tougher decision for the VAR officials to make. That is just the laws of human nature and it is a law that the OF are very good at working to their advantage. I welcome SK showing the passion, the frustration and standing up for his team and his club. I find it odd that some don't seem to share his passion given the Motherwell bias that is our right as subjective, irrational football fans. In a different circumstance, the goal could have been given. You can guarantee that had Rangers been disallowed a similar goal they would make plenty of it and another strongly worded statement could have been making it's way to anybody who would listen.7 points
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I completely understand your perspective, but I’d much prefer having a manager like Kettlewell who refuses to doff his cap and simply accept the status quo. In my view, the more he calls out the shambles that is officiating in action, the better. It’s worth noting that his approach could easily boost morale and foster an "us vs the world" mentality in the dressing room, which is no bad thing. I’m not referring to you here, but the reality is that Kettlewell can’t seem to win in the eyes of some fans. If he manages with passion, wears his heart on his sleeve, and kicks every ball like we do in the stands, he’s labelled a "twat." Yet, if he kept quiet about the poor decisions, avoided making waves, and let it all slide, he’d likely be called a "twat" for that as well. What I hope is that fans recognise a manager and team who are clearly on the same page, putting in the effort and having a decent season. We should be backing them, supporting the manager and club when they call out dodgy decisions, not tearing them down for it.5 points
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It’s this nonsense that is killing the game imo. This jobsworth-like examination of every goal to find the slightest thing wrong means that you can’t celebrate and enjoy a goal anymore because you know that the VAR team will be scrutinising absolutely everything that went on in the build up to it. That is not doing anything to help the game in my opinion, quite the opposite and I would gladly see VAR binned tomorrow.2 points
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Warning!!! Happy clapper alert!! I think SK has taken a lot of stick over his signings but for me I think we have a pretty decent squad. experience with O’Donnell Halliday and McGinn Gordon and Casey pretty decent at the back with Ox in goal. All are not perfect but pretty solid door the most part players Like Paton, Sparrow, Seddon, Nicholson added to Miller and Wilson TJ and Stam coming along nicely with Moses in there who has chimed In with some important goals loan players like Watt and Kaletta probably as good a squad as we’ve had in some time.2 points
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This is the image VAR used to decide the offside. They have clearly drawn the red line on Casey's elbow. He cant be offside with that as you cant score with your elbow. The blue line, which goes through his shoulder is in line with the defenders foot and is the onside line. Ive no idea whether Casey was or was not offside. It was very close. But he cant be offside on the basis of the still they have used. Yet more evidence of absolute incompetence and why VAR should be binned. (I know it wont be).2 points
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I'M sure we are not alone in getting dubious decisions against Celtic and Rangers. Maybe if all the managers in the league stood against them, and did what Kettlewell did, things might get better.2 points
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Write out 100 times “I should never believe what I read in The Sun cause it’s all shite”2 points
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A bit off topic, but the Sportscene coverage was absolutely appalling. All about Rangers, no real analysis of the key points in the game. Completely amateurish production and presentation. Finally, does anyone think that Rangers first goal had a distinct possibility of offside? It looked to me that a Rangers player, in an offside position, interfered with Ox line of sight to the ball.2 points
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Casey has been a stalwart as far as I'm concerned. And I believe Slattery has another year option on his contract. Baffles me why anyone would want to let Casey go.1 point
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Aye, that's my understanding. As for using the wrong frame, I have no idea what the FPS rate is. So, this might be the best one. As others have said, we are trying to claim absolute accuracy from a botch up.1 point
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The words “clear and obvious error” have apparently been forgotten about. If lines need to be drawn, it’s not fkn clear and obvious 😡 put a freeze frame up (frozen at the right time) and if you can’t immediately go he’s off then let it go. We might be on wrong end of call sometimes but all of this microscopic offside is bullshit and not really the intent of the law.1 point
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Yes. I think too, that Ewan Wilson is more suited to a back 4, as mentioned by Cameron on P & B.1 point
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So both decisions were pretty dodgy then. Never mind, I'm sure Willie Collum will clear it all up over the next few days and Rangers will produce a counter-statement which will include the words "sporting integrity" to make it all sound impressive. As wellfan says, the square root of feck all will be done about and there will be no consequences for the officials. Just another Groundhog Day in Scottish football. Next!1 point
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Casey's agression and attitude tend to distract from his lack of defending fundamentals. He was a key part of last year's defensive atrocities and, especially when starting with Blaney, is a guarantee we won't have a clean sheet. He is an asset when we have the ball, and great at causing disruption in the opponent's box. Below average when we don't have the ball, or when he's defending in our box. We've started to slip into our old habit of losing soft goals, and that needs to be addressed with some changes in the back 3.1 point
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It seems the KMI panel agree with you re the Butland incident, another incorrect VAR call in their opinion. Motherwell - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/motherwell1 point
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If correct then MFC need to request an official response with regard to those two points. It’s either gross incompetence or cheating…….. over to you Mr Collum, which one is it?1 point
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One of my bugbears too which we witness week week out. Just watched the highlights and it was evident from early on. Rangers' first goal was a defensive disaster. Wilson fails to or more likely doesn't even try to stop the cross. Cerny was given all the time and space he wanted to pinpoint his target which does. Why oh why do we do this? Opponents don't afford us this generosity. The ball then finds its completely unmarked target, a few feet from goal who picks his spot. Harry Paton although nearby, covering nobody. Typical of many goals we lose.1 point
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That is insanity. In addition, we continually hear "clear and obvious"... the moment you have to start drawing lines when the two players in question are next to each other, is the moment you can conclude its not "clear and obvious".1 point
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For me, the frustration around the butland goal comes from the way the game was reffed in general, with clancy leaving pretty much everything else yesterday to var, yet taking the decision there and var having to overturn it. It's not one they were going to overturn whatever the on field decision IMO. Personally I am fed up of var. Players can't play the game in slow motion, a striker cant time a run to millimetres, yet the game is now being judged frame by frame and not in real time. Yesterday we had about 17-18 mins added on time across the two halves, mostly due to var stoppages. It affects the entertainment value spending 10-20% of a football match waiting on officiating. A better way of using it needs to be implemented before people start walking away.1 point
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That sounds pretty reasonable . They are all decent footballers - the more quality we can retain the better .1 point
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I agree, but when when VAR is being used to actively look for reasons to disallow every goal, instead of its main purpose of clear and obvious errors, we are going to get this nonsense week in week out.1 point
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Sportscene has been going down the tubes since Jonathan Sutherland reduced his appearances. Always thought he was a decent presenter who represented our game well. Thomson is never a presenter. He looks uncomfortable any time he's on TV. The guest pundits last night were laughable, looked like the BBC pulled two guys off the street. Sheridan looks like nothing less than a tramp. No offense to tramps intended.1 point
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A bit simplistic, but if we press a yard harder on Cerny and don't allow him to cross the ball with impunity, then they don't score so early in the second half and we arguably win the game. Its one of my biggest bugbears along with not showing for throw-ins and just launching it up the line... Going out to press/stop a cross, but stopping 3/4 of the way needed to do it effectively. Obviously there are dangers in diving in, but this wasn't the case here as Cerny was pretty much stationary at the time IIRC. That's nit-picking a bit, but those are the fine margins. It was a decent performance and result, albeit a bit frustrating again.1 point
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I just watched back the Sportscene coverage of the game today. Butland's error was just that. From what i saw on Sportscene, Watt held his ground, Butland tried to jump over him to punch clear and simply made a mess of it. For me, a ridiculous decision to rule out a goal for that. There was a much more blatant push on a keeper shown on Match of the Day tonight and VAR decided that the goal stood. What a state our game is in.1 point
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It’s supposed to correct “clear and obvious errors” by onfield officials. The decision to rule out the second one patently wasn’t a “clear and obvious error”.1 point
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Dodgy penalty, watt getting in the way of kaleta goal attempt and deflected goal. I think at this point we realised it was not going to be our day. You need luck to beat them, and with the official being card happy towards our players, it's no wonder heads and effort went down. I think it's very harsh to have a go at the team under the circumstances. Looking at football in general, unless your an elite team, and even then, there are very few teams who constantly get clean sheets. Sure we have what 1 in 100 games or what ever, but even teams of our standard are hardly that much better than say 4 or 5 in 100. I personally don't care about clean sheets as long as we outscore the opposition. Outwith Celtic, don't think there is many clubs where their fans are totally behind the manager and their tactical approach to the game. Money, technolegy and negative coaching, ie where are the flair players? has given us a modern game which is as someone said is like a boring chess game.1 point
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Deffo. A bit surprised some would let him go, I think he's been a great signing on the whole. I'd keep McGinn, Casey & Paton. Wouldn't lose any sleep if any of the rest left.0 points
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I think we will/should offer terms to McGinn (another year), Paton (2-years), Casey (2-years), Slattery (short-term deal) and Watt (1-year). And JT, as I said above.0 points