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I always find it funny that you get certain posters continually telling everybody how poor we are, we’re getting relegated, won’t win another game etc. Then they seem to expect us to beat the team sitting in 4th place away from home and start all the wailing again when we don’t.

Im guessing the majority of posters on here werent at the game today as I feel I was watching something totally different from everyone else. First half I thought we competed well enough and were much less passive than under Kettlewell. We werent as composed on the ball as we might have been but we still created a few chances with Maswanhise in particular coming very close. United had more possession but the goal apart, which could have been defended better, they didnt threaten us that much. Second half was much better. We controlled the ball more and put pressure on the United defence and they had to put bodies on the line to keep us out. United did create some chances on the break but Balcombe and our defence dealt with it for the most part. Yes we lost the game today, but it was far more entertaining to watch and I left with a hope and a belief that things are going ro get better. Thats lightyears ahead of the way Ive felt for most of the season. The performance was far from perfect and all our weaknesses and deficiencies are still there for all to see. But if folks dont think that was an improvement today? I dont know what to say. PS Lennon Miller maybe wasnt great today in a creative sense. But he worked his socks off and his interceptions were absolutely vital at times. He dealt with Alan Campbell physically to the extent Campbell was substituted. Maybe cut the boy some slack and appreciate what he does bring instead of what he didnt today.

Thought we were much better yesterday despite the defeat, anyone that was Tynecastle, Rugby Park, Easter Road and/or McDiarmid Park last month surely has to agree (despite the fact we avoided defeat at RP). I also thought we were very unlucky not to get a point, and all the stats seem to back that up. Just couldnt create a clear cut chance in the last 30 mins when we were well on top. That being said we still have some big issues and clearly need to start picking up points asap. Surely after that yesterday SOD needs to be benched, getting to the point where he’s costing us on average a goal a game with his poor defending. Think Halliday is the other one I’d drop to try and get more legs in the middle of the park, but will be interesting to see what Wimmer does.

Not picking on you individually, but this thought process rips ma knitting. It doesnt matter whether the Well Society own the club or a multi billionaire. We still have to live within our means. Billionaires dont become billionaires by giving away their money. They only lend it to football clubs in the form of loans that require to be paid back. Kettlewell had plenty of money to spend, regardless of how he made out that he didnt. He just didnt spend it as wisely as he might have. Thats why we are running a 34 man squad. Obviously, if the Society can bring in more outside investment, that will be welcome. But we still have to spend it properly. Same with any money we make off Lennon Miller. There are ways to grow a football club even at our level. If we start by not pissing it up a wall it will be a good start!

Yes! Yes you have. Now go away. 😂😂 J/K

Abusing any player during a game is utterly pointless. Even though I'm a generally pessimistic and frustrated when it comes to the dross we watch far too often, I never abuse any player during a game, its not going to make them play any better. If you want to vent your spleen do it on here or other forums, that only upsets the happy clappies and I don't give two fucks about them 😁

900 posts in 16 years with only 9 in the past year including todays. I think that qualifies as barely posting anything so not sure how you get a regular laugh from that. Each to their own though so I’ll leave it there.

I barely post anything on here so how does that work?

So your saying that it is reasonable to expect that, in the new managers second game in charge, having been in the door just over a week, if the team don't get a result, it will turn ugly? What would ugly look like? Sack the board? Sack the manager? Shout abuse at the players? I know I am a happy clapper and all but even with the most pessimistic of outlooks surely you don't withdraw support after two games? I agree Wednesday is now a massive game but win or lose we have no option but to back the manager and the players to the end of the season.

It'll take our new man a few weeks to find out the best team selection. SK had months and still couldn't figure it out. All I'm hoping for is to go into the split with a reasonable cushion over St Johnstone - 6/7 points would be fine. Obviously finishing 10th would be the icing on the cake and should be our target. It's not unreasonable to expect gradual improvements game after game

To be fair to our support, I didnt hear any negativity at the game yesterday. They stayed with the team and provided the appropriate encouragement for the full 90 mins and applauded the teams efforts at the end. It felt clear to me that the majority who made the journey were encouraged by the improvement shown in energy and application and that for now at least, that will do....

I think about 30 folk have hacked your account!! 🤪🤪🤪

You could be the silent partner

I think the manager has a free hit until the end of the season. Hes inherited dross .. in the, still unlikely, event we went down the blame would lie squarely with SK.

In all my years watching Motherwell I've never seen a player who was having a shocker who actually got better with fans berating them. There is zero evidence to suggest its anything other than destructive. Mind you if they ever see me with my head in my hands they will know how bad they are playing ... 😁

I’ve never played the game at any decent level so don’t understand the full set up to a great degree but having been in positions of management in my career using what was staff were available to get things done (feck me that sounds like something from a CV) I get a lot of what folk are saying about SOD but to be fair to the guy he’s playing in a position that’s not his natural position, he is getting to the end of his career and as such he ain’t as mobile as he once was but I do believe that he is trying and I’m sure that if there was anyone else who the manager (and previous custodian of the role) thought was better then they wouldn’t have SOD in that position. I don’t know the guy but I do feel he gets a load of undeserved stick here and at games, yesterday for example, leaving him one on one with their top scorer was poor from the other defenders and as I’ve said previously, rest of the game he was no better or worse than most of the team. Maybe folk should try to encourage him and the others during the games and leave their abuse for on here where it might not effect them.

Aye it was. In possession at least. Sparrow and Maswanhise both pushed up in support of Armstrong. Out of possession it was more of a 5-3-2 I think.....

I thought Balcome played well yesterday, including one fantastic save in the 2nd half. I’d go Balcome, Koutroumbis, Thomson, Balmer, Gordon, Casey. Miller, Slattery, Paton/Sparrow, Maswanhise, Armstrong. Although really concerned about where the goals are coming from looking at our forward options.

I thought he played fairly well. Nothing spectacular, but also nothing to suggest why he has been frozen out all season.

I get that the pressure is on us, but we can't expect too much too soon. He'll want to test out players he hasn't seen yet and also which combinations work and which don't. It might well be a case of 2 steps forward and one back, from game to game. We're fortunate too that next weekend's game is a free hit just like today's fixture. Its another game with little pressure on, to test things out and get the squad used to his new methods. In the short term, Dundee and St Mirren are the crucial ones. I'd happily settle for a point on Wednesday to stop the rot, if we beat St Mirren. The crucial aim for me is to maintain that gap above St Johnstone.

When you sign players like AP for a six figure sum to basically destroy his confidence playing with tactics that is not even close to use the player properly that in itself is all on Kettlewell. A total waste of club funds of the highest order.I really don't get what Kettlewell done in the Summer transfer window other than set every penny we had on fire signing players like Watt and Taveras from rival teams freeing up a wage for them is a total joke and look what returns we have got for that......Zero! Kettlewell has the final say mind don't forget that so really it was all on him to say no or yes. As for the club and funds the Lennon Miller money is the Investment let's be honest here I don't see the Well Society coming up with anything on that front.

One thing I hope Wimmer sees is SOD is shouldn't be playing anywhere in a back three. Having witnessed the highlights now that effort to try head the ball for the goal is shocking my 5ft grandad couldn't have jumped higher than him. Nah I think teams are seeing this as a weak point in our three at the back and abusing it with good results.

You dont understand the doom and gloom ? seriously .. one win in 11 , DU honking have pretty much 1 or 2 chances and they still beat us. Yeah we were better today but that in no way means we were good. First touch still abysmal, set pieces amateurish , passing wayward.

Don't know why so much doom and gloom is about to be honest that 2nd half is probably the best 2nd half I have witnessed all season. However today hopefully and more than likely is the eye opener for the new guy got to see them in action I suspect a few changes for the Dundee game. Also for this to work Daws needs to leave we need a new recruitment process in place.I take it before he presses search button on the pc creativity isn't an option we need some quality on that front we have next to zero. Onwards and upwards!

I keep saying it. The squad is piss poor and full of dross. We should have got a point today against a piss poor Dundee Utd team who hadn't won in 6 games but yet again we lost. We lost because we are garbage. Wimmer can try and change the style which we should support. We have handed every team that's struggling the lift they need because our passing is abysmal, our control and first touch woeful and positional play non existent. That ain't changing for the Dundee game. Dundee are on an horrendous run they've beaten us twice already this season without being good in either. Teams only need one chance against us and we are beat. There isn't a snowballs chance in hell we will beat Dundee.

And we didn't shite the bed against Rangers despite the media gasbagging about the good of Scottish football

Stephen 'easy target' O'Donnell back at it again today.

Let's leave him in Dundee.

I’m assuming you mean during the game as opposed to afterwards? Is in game acknowledgment of failure to a group of individuals who have no qualification to opinion beyond entrance fee is something you’d like all players to do from now on? If so, I would suggest you need to come up with some form of sign language code that provides clear indication of what kind of apology is required or given. You know, like, a bow in the direction of the noisy people could mean “thank you, I honestly don’t know what I was thinking” or a curtsy could mean “your constructive feedback is always welcomed, I will endeavour to do better next time”. I’ll of course leave thst in your capable hands but whilst creating your code, can I suggest you have versions of these “non verbal messages” to include “and this time with feeling” versions cos we’d hate for the baying mob to think said player didn’t care

Just listened to the interview from start to finish and it’s fair to say, it was a tough listen. Kettlewell has in my opinion at least, really let himself down here and in the long run, will have done himself no favours. He is clearly a very intense guy. From the day he arrived, he talked at machine gun pace using flowery words that didn’t quite fit with what he was saying. That intensity only ramped up the deeper he got into the job and his levels of personal investment increased. Of course football management is a uniquely demanding role. It demands so much of your time and energy away from the Matchday, often influenced by factors outwith your span of control and attracts critique far beyond what almost any other vocation should expect. Having coached youth, first team and held director of football roles at Semi Pro (Isthmian and national league level) clubs in England I can personally vouch (though on a much smaller scale) for the levels of pressure associated and the impact a life at the sharp end of football can have on you and all those around you. Kettlewell talked about not reading the socials and working all hours and then coming home and seeing the sadness in the families eyes and using that as a driver for quitting. Every manager has that, and given that he has a family “like the Waltons” his chosen vocation and its hours worked, will also be a huge source of pressure. By choosing to work those hours, he will be choosing to miss some of his kids younger years. His choice, his guilt, not the clubs or the fans. Fan abuse is often ill informed and when in that space, often feeling extremely unfair. However, I’d bet the mortgage that the reason Kettlewell chose to walk was because…. - He’s a naturally intense guy who’s response to things going badly is to throw himself further into his work - This then brings a “I’m working my arse off here, what more do you want?” mindset. - He was bringing this mindset home with him (he says he’s an aggressive person) and it was impacting on the family dynamic. - The family begins to resent the cause of this Gollum side to his personality (his thankless employer and fans he seems to love more than us) - The slightest bit of poor fan behaviour witnessed then gets jumped on by the family because they’ve become hyper sensitive to criticism. - Kettlewell knows he’s running out of ideas and perhaps realising that hard work doesn’t fix. The fella has one maybe two opportunities left to prove himself as a manager that can stay the pace without completely losing the nut, burning himself and his family out and resorting to the blame of others. His decision to do that interview reeks of a wounded ego that doesn’t have the self awareness to recognise just how much he has to change.

Aw to be fair you've have 900 funny posts thats not bad.

TBF you're one of the people I do likewise , maybe we should start a double act.

It was a pile of shite - completely embarrassing and nothing has been done since that was put out. I have been paying into the well society since 2017 and when I had very little to spare, not good enough on any level - and if I hear the word "refreshed " one more time I will also say this. I am sure the folk on the well society board do a good job unpaid - but we are in freefall, handing the new manager irn bru just seems flippant under these circumstances Yeah - they saw off Erik, job done, unfortunately we have no one else offering us anything

Stam is injured yes? Watt might have worked out but didnt. Theres been a lot of factors Im pretty much at my limit. Im not going to apportion blame but I dont think I can suffer another season like this I give to the well society too but Im seriously re thinking that as well Everything is just a shit show right now I am sorry but give me strength. They fling the support under the bus over the Kettlewell issue (and I was a huge supporter of his) and then they give the new manager irn bru! While dafties like me pay into the society Maybe say sorry to the fans they launched under the bus - we are fucking sinking,