Frazzie

I think these are technically 'Benefit Matches' rather than Testimonials, and I think the tax implications would be different unless there is some sort of special permission to be saught.

Nah mate, don't think anyone went. Haven't seen it mentioned...

Exactly!

This is true, but chances are you'll buy said pal a couple of pints so they'll make out of it - no need for a furore.

Sorted! Still a novice at this gemme...

That's the spirit!

I think I deserve the title to be honest, but Martyn Corrigan still doesn't...

The Lanarkshire Cup! Nah, well spotted - I meant the League Cup in 1950 obviously. I believe 8 of the starting XI were the same for the two Cup Finals, which is remarkable in itself given they were more than 18 months apart.

Certainly longer than Gannon anyway.

Pretty well summed up. A mod can close this thread now.

Careful mate - You don't want to be agreeing with me or you will be treated with contempt by the self-appointed hierarchy of 'Well fans auld codgers that think they know better just cos they're auld codgers and their merry band of followers. They don't need to justify their point - they are just right. All the time.

Wonderful argument. You win.

Part of the reason for my paranoia, and possibly part of the reason he gets a harder time than he maybe deserves from 'Well fans, is his supposed £2k p/w wage packet. But to say he's only getting a hard time because he is to replace Ruddy is completely wrong, as almost everyone on here had identified a new 1st choice keeper as one of our main priorities before big Ruddy had even been mentioned.

That is a really good question, and one we've argued over in JDs for years. After much thought and discussion, my honest answer is... I don't really know! Some people would say that anyone who played in any of our three winning Cup Finals would automatically qualify - I don't agree. I would say any of the players who played in both '52 and '55 would qualify by default, but what I would say of the 1991 Cup-Winning team (don't know a lot about the players from the fifties!) is that there was a few guys in there who are, to me, journeymen - including two of the goalscorers in the final! I mean no disrespect to these guys when I say that - I'd be delighted to buy any of them a pint should the opportunity present itself but, to me, legend is a word reserved only for the very best. Dougie Arnott - cup-winner, played in the seasons we came 2nd and 3rd, scored loads of memorable goals against the Old Firm, length of service and one of our own. These things all go in his favour. To me, each of those things make up the criteria of a legend, and I think people can argue over how many of those things you need to be one. The fact that Dougie ticks all of those boxes is the reason he is my all-time favourite player. Guys like Martyn Corrigan only really get a tick in the length of service box and even then it was three years short of Arnotts spell. I think the Kaiser was absolutely magic and one of my favourites from recent years, but I'm afraid he doesn't deserve to be in the category of 'legend', and suggesting he does only cheapens the title for me. However, that's just my opinion - it's very much open to interpretation!

"Patronising Motherwell Fans in Moral High Ground Shocker" To view the world through claret and amber tinted spectacles to such an extent that you cannot find fault in any Motherwell player or other aspect of the club does not make you a better standard of fan. It actually makes you more akin to a Spaniel.

Normally I wouldn't, but he was all over the papers for his general pish-ness while at ICT. Admittedly, that was mainly because he had a shocker at Ibrox (like Ruddy did!) but he's been under scrutiny his whole career, and the cynic in me thinks McGhee signed a dud on inflated wages on purpose when he knew he was offski. If we all turn out to be wrong, you can quote this thread 'til your heart's content...but we'll not be!

Well we've seen him about half a dozen times for Motherwell, and probably about the same against Motherwell, so I'd say double figures games is plenty to judge whether someone is good enough or not. Not to mention the fact that every manager he's ever had has relegated him to number 2.

I don't think it's crazy, but I just don't expect it to happen. And I'd probably agree about the legend status by default if it did happen.

Cannae see that happening, but I reckon he'll make 3rd, which is still a tremendous achievement. Would that make him a legend?

I've seen him plenty - he's murder.

Aye, but I think we've long since established that fans are idiots.

I stand by my non-legendary assesment of Corrigan - certainly never said he was pish though! The five players from that list who played in the '52 Cup Final are legendary, as is Joe Wark, Stevie Kirk and a few more. Corrigan, Clarkson and even Tom Boyd (maybe) for me, just aren't. I really like Corrigan and Clarkson - two of my favourite Motherwell players of recent years, but they're just not legends. I feel like I am criticising them by saying that, but I'm not. As for Tom Boyd, being a Cup-winning captain probably gives you legendary status by default - I just don't like him.

Cheers mate, although not sure you can trust me with weans in a close either...

To be fair, outfield players are different for a couple of important reasons - Firstly, possibly a lack of proper pre-season training and secondly, a lack of tactical understanding. You don't need pre-season training or a tactical understanding to keep the ball out of the net. I wouldn't trust Fraser to keep weans out a close.

We should just cash in on Hutchison just now as he's clearly injury prone and therefor, a complete waste of space. Get him tae fuck. How's that for you?