Frazzie

Craigan has been at the club a season longer than Hammell, but Hammell has spent the vast majority of his time here as a certain starter. Craigan wasn't really that when he was first here a lot of the time, then that tit Gannon left him out for half a season aswell. Testimonials are purely based on length of service, nowr to do with games played.

Yes, I have a bittersweet memory of running onto the pitch at full-time thinking we had done it, due to some lying toad with a tranny...

Ach, pish! It is amazing to think that three of our current team are in the top 25 post-war for appearances, and that another eight are in the recent past (ie, my time) given that most people would tell you that the days of loyalty to a team and 'one club men' are over. I must admit to being surprised at that list.

At this stage of the season, every game is huge and this is no exception. Will be a tough game, and I don't expect to see a lot of goals, but I think we'll edge it. Hopefully. 2-0 'Well. Craigan with half an hour to go from a corner, Lasley late on from a breakaway. Happy days.

Sounds like a scary jumper anol'!

I fully expect us to be playing European football next season, and that worries me. I hate allowing myself to think like that, but I can't help it.

Any idea why the ref has been changed?

Don't think so chief.

The word 'legend' is thrown about too easily for my liking. For me, a legend is Joe Wark who served the club for two decades, Stevie Kirk who scored in every round of the Cup and is still our highest scorer in Europe or Sailor Hunter who is basically responsible for the club we all love being here today. To put Martyn Corrigan, a player I really liked and rated, in the same category as those guys mentioned previously is ridiculous. If he is a legend then we must have millions of them.

The Trust have given the club £7500 for it so it will be happening.

I think it was, and I could swear he went to the wrong set of fans when he came out of the tunnel. He got dogs abuse that day!

I thought the Fashanu one was "He's black, he's gay, he plays for Air-du-ray....Fashanu!' Could be wrong though.

I take your point, and there is relevance between the past performance of players who are currently in or around the squad just now when considerring someone like Reynolds, but trying to justify his inclusion by saying he's a better player than someone like Crainey is pointless. That's all I'm saying. And, yes, if Reynolds had signed for Rangers when we rejected that offer, he'd probably be in double figures in caps by now, but that's a different debate for a different day.

To be fair, I have heard both of those songs this season.

Naw they wurnae...

I think this is the important part. All of the things that have been launched in recent times have been things purchased inside the ground, so if the searches are in response to these incidents, then it's a waste of time and money. If, and as I suspect is the case, it is a hoop the club feels we have to jump through to be seen to be doing something to avoid a fine/punishment then so be it.

Agree with this post 100%.

In all seriousness, I'd take Wilkie, McManus, Caldwell or Kenneth ahead of Reynolds but it's all about opinions. However, it is pretty clear that they're all ahead of him in the pecking order. What I will say is that I think Reynolds could do a job for Scotland in years to come, but I think it will need to be after he leaves Motherwell as he is far too unreliable at present, particularly when he doesn't have Craigan beside him. Before you start, I'm not having a go at him when I say that - an unreasonable weight was placed on his young shoulders by Gannon when he bombed Craigan out of the team and left Reynolds to organise a defence that consisted of two complete novices and latterly a bombscare Frenchman.

I'm afraid it is true. Mentioning Maurice Ross, Steven Crainey, Danny Fox, etc etc is another debate - and I'm sure it's one we'd agree on - as they were only capped because they played for the Old Firm. I can't think of a way to word this sentence any better unfortunately so here goes... Just because one player gets an undeserved cap doesn't mean that a player more deserving actually deserves one! Reynolds has never at any point been in the best half dozen Scottish centre halves, therefor he doesn't deserve to be in the squad. Any players who have been in the squad in the past, present or future are irrelevant.

Aye, very good. If you read what I said before, I don't think listing a load of shite players who have played for Scotland does any good. Justifying that our player should be capped by saying someone worse has been capped before isn't constructive. In my opinion, there's always been at least 3 Scottish goalies better than Buzz, half a dozen Scottish centre-halves better than Reynolds, etc... Even if you think Kenneth doesn't deserve to be in the squad, Reynolds isn't the obvious next choce. Whether you like it or not, McManus, Wilkie, etc are still ahead of him so unless you're saying Reynolds is in the best four or five Scottish centre-halves available, you're not saying he should be in the squad - you're only saying he's better than Kenneth.

I think going through a list of shite players that have been capped for Scotland is pointless, and it could take you all day! The way I judge whether someone is good enough to be be in the Scotland squad is quite simple - Normally, a squad consists of roughly 24 players, so just over two players per jersey if you like. Therefor, I ask myself: Was Corrigan/Quinn in the best 2 or 3 Scottish right backs at that time? I would say no. Is Reynolds in the best 4 or 5 Scottish centre halves right now? I would say no. Is Hammell in the best 2 or 3 Scottish left backs right now? I would say no. Was/Is Graeme Smith in the best 3 Scottish goalkeepers? I would say no. It is all about opinions, of course, and I'm just telling you mine, but keep in mind Clarkson got a couple of caps while at Motherwell last year and I reckon fans of other provincial clubs would have been scratching their heads saying that their guy deserved it more, like you are with Kenneth & Dixon. I would be delighted if a few of our players made it into the Scotland squad, and I'd be even happier if it developed them into a better player in the process - I just can't see it happenning for the forseeable. PS - It's also a shame that the two players in our team who are (again, in my opinion) potentially international class are bloody English!

I disagree with you there actually. I think Motherwell fans clambour for our players to get call-ups when they're not deserved. I'm not only replying to this because you used Reynolds as your example, but he isn't good enough for Scotland. Likewise Hammell. And last season Graeme Smith and Paul Quinn were being quoted amongst our fans. Neither of them are good enough either. Folk have been asking this season if Hateley is eligible. Sorry, but he's not good enough either. I'm not having a bit downer on our team here - they're all good players for us, but there's a huge difference between Motherwell and Scotland, even if it doesn't always seem like it.

Edit - Deleted. Possibly inappropriate after a second thought.

PS - Kaiser was quality, but not a legend or international class.