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Not really but top 3 in league are imo kyogo then shankland then dessers/miovski based on last few years. Only reason shankland is 2nd is because he's at hearts and not one of other 2 so doesn't get same praise. Who in your opinion is top 3 in league

Good post Joe and agree with all. We look well drilled but I felt his subs were poor. If and only if gent was injured he could have brought on buyabu to keep same balance. After that was hit and hope from him .Seriously bevis rather than obika when chasing game up top. Shankland difference as he's a top player

Cmon that is a poor argument. Would kyogo score as many if he was at those teams? Shankland has been really good this season and scored lots of different types of goals. He's up there with kyogo and dessers as best in league and is miles in front of them for goals scored.

I'm with you Grizzly but I'd have halliday and miller sitting with Spittal and vale behind bair. Vale looks as if he's got something. Davor and paton as back up gives us bit of depth in there.

I see where your coming from but I do feel he can do all the things you say he can't , however he doesn't do it often enough hence he's at us. All about opinions as always but a cracker I read on twitter today a well fan saying he'd drop spittall tomorrow. I mean he's easily our best player and I think anyone can see he's playing with a huge level of confidence at the moment. Some of his 1 touch pass and move is exceptional. Also Bair on Wed was rolling his foot over ball etc again confidence surging through him. It's a huge plus in players and emphasises points a lot make about being supportive.

Totally grizzlyg. Can anyone tell me what obika can do now? He is seriously hopeless can't jump run pass shoot control I could go on. We were needing g someone on at that time to run in behind when they were pushing on

Agree here a point is gd . Regards SOD if he was playing 1st and 3rd for them don't happen imo . Devine was weak at both.

I dont think they did pal but that's football all about opinions. I actually watched game again today on Iplayer and we did have some nice 1 touch stuff but went nowhere with it. They weren't miles better but scored 1st and had bigger players than us who bullied us a bit and wanted it a wee bit more I felt. I'm same as you in totally raging with result and wondering where we go next but I know something we can't give up.

Well they didn't did they. They got ball forward quickly. And played on our inability to defend so fair play to them .if you think they passed us of park by getting ball down and passing round us I will disagree with you on that .

Sounds easy but with the wind how it was it makes it difficult. Surely you are aware of that .

Like all I'm scunnered with that last night. Big Oakley done some damage to our defence . Miller like others said really struggled with pitch and more importantly the wind as all players struggled to get it down. Their midfield 3 esp 1st half dominated and got ball forward early. I felt when vale came on 57 mins he looked gd and him and bair were in middle in what was 352 but kettlewell panicked and sent on obika 10 mins later and moved those 2 wider which totally killed any momentum that was building and players not knowing what they were doing. The last 20 mins was like a game up park with your pals with players in positions they didn't know. How Nicholson never got on ill never know. Butcher let Oakley run 20 yards into box without a tackle. Kelly standing off his line at inswinging corner. Spittal hitting outswinging corners when wind is with us. All just small things but by God amateur players know not to do those things. I could go on and on but my biggest take is kettlewell picked wrong team (halliday should have been on from start to get stuck in with miller on later) and his subs totally wrecked any cohesion in team. Obika just can't do anything now.

Another who gets it far too tight when team struggling. He's got 25 scotland caps for a reason.

Wasn't just you giving stick david was quite a few. I can't agree with your "stick was entirely warranted" comment any player coming to us should get benefit of doubt initially in my book but that's another debate.

Yep agree with that richie plus his "offside" goal was some finish showing confidence, his run to the left then darted right on breakaway and Spittal put him in for him to dink it just wide was great movement from him and also he was waiting for a tap in from paton who made bad pass. A big thing I noticed last night and will continue is defenders are starting to fear him giving room to our other players which again is another arrow to his bow. Someone with his size strength and speed will always be capable of something in our league and why I couldn't believe stick he was getting earlier in season without having had a chance with us . Bevis is same and yes he is bambi on ice at times but he has all the attributes of bair that I mentioned and can use them in different ways hence the reason I at present always want him in the team.

Keep same team for me. Regards time to recover I feel there's far too much emphasis on this certainly at our level. It's more mental than physical I believe and a game v ross county then morton 3 days later is not champs league. Our players train every day they are more than capable of playing every 3 days. Our best player Spittal on for full 90 last night when not needed tells me he's one of fittest in team and kettlewell obviously knows that also.

Outstanding performance and best in a long while. The movement between sods and bevis is something not normal in spl or motherwell teams but it produced gd results and fair play for kettlewell for trying it. Spittal and bair are prime examples of not to judge before seeing how they play. Both are really kicking on. Plus we now have options of bench and also building confidence. Friday night is going to be a great old fashioned cup tie with 2 teams full of confidence and gd support behind them. I saw yesterday we had sold 1200 here's hoping that tonight plus sales at end of week can take us to 2k. Really looking forward to it with confidence.

I did say "some" and "generally" Live and let live! but most can't be arsed with continuous negative boring people imo.

I get that a forum is for all opinions and we can't all be positive but by God the last 24 hours have been negativity central. Some people really do have sad lives who just moan at anything. See the arseholes at your work that non stop say they hate their job moan at everything are generally also shite at their job. The same applies here in their football knowledge and so called support of their team. That guy/gal yesterday who said he hadn't been in 10 years but on moaning. Holy fuk that summed those sort of people up .

Yep because championship players in England other than some of our big 2s players are mostly better. Clarke has gave some from up here games I.e gallagher findlay considine etc god he even gave brophy the centre forward role so that I think can put that argument to bed.

I'd really like this to happen also. His professionalism , knows how to win and better than any of our attacking players makes it a no brainer if it was at all possible. He maybe thinks he can make euros squad.

That would be gd signing. Right footed but has played on left for rangers so cover both sides and young with potential.

How much more can they pay than us do you think? I wouldn't think more than 1 maybe 2k / 3k a week. There's only 17 weeks till end May that's only max 50k surely to fuk we can't lose him to st mirren for that.

personal opinion i cant see any downside of a tie up with some big gun. All their knowledge , expertise and players etc etc can only be a good thing. Im reading a lot of the what ifs? this is bad thats bad etc etc when in reality anyyone wanting involved from so called big gun is obviously very astute in business and in all cases are billionaires and so the chance of them failing is a lot lower than some wee guy coming in with a couple of a million in his back pocket or continuing to be run by amateurs as a lot on here mostly say we are at the moment and have been for a while (not my view). Think of the positives.

Yes we shouldn't and can't rely on loan signings but hopefully we see more of biereths like from real big clubs like arsenal etc and not so much journeyman crap from league 2 in England. Young players from top clubs like arsenal are hungry and talented , even championship clubs players are on different level as can be seen with Spencer and gent this season. Those 3 have arguably been our best players this season and certainly most exciting. If we can get some of those as loans every year it allayed to a good core then we should certainly improve I feel. Alas the good core at the moment is not there either.

Think your wrong here spider. Biereth wages are miniscule in a club like arsenal and reason he is away is quite simply better league for him to be tested in. Relegation battle for us or Sheffield we'd in championship is really not a question to answer in level of player he will be playing with or against. They would im sure be 3rd in our league easily.