Goggles & Flippers

Oh geez peace you sanctimonious clown. We've had this argument already way back. Would we what? There is nothing in what I wrote that satisfies that response. Read my post again, it was highlighting that Yodo suggesting we hold onto him (which contractually we could be able to do) he would no doubt be unhappy that the club stood in the way of a higher career move and a massive wage increase. As for questioning his "his" professionalism, I think you'll find I did nothing of the sort, I questioned Yodo's and asking for a something from Turnbull he'd unlikely approve for himself. With reference directly to the player I said he'd be unhappy which I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone to disagree with. If I was on 1k a week and 10x was a heartbeat away then naturally every single one of us would be miffed. None of us know if Celtic's concerns are genuine, over the top or to beat down the price. Regardless, they raised concerns if they do pull out with any other interested party and may dampen alternative interest. If it is the latter then they have nefariously and adversely affected MFC's prized asset. Just to remind you, we live in a capitalist society, jealousy and greed is what drives the vast majority. Bigger house, better car than the neighbours, better bird than the mates one etc. To suggest its not a factor is to assume we live in some utopian society which everyone knows we do not. As a moderator you really should know better and refrain from putting words in someone's mouth and basing posts on your inferences.

You are so out of touch its mesmerising. He's on 800-1,000 a week, Celtic are offering north of 10k and Norwich for an earlier post offered north of 15k. He sees Hastie on 4.5 to 5k at Ibrox. While we could in theory keep him here until the summer of 2021 we'd have someone very unhappy at that and £1m down on where he would have been. Would you be thrilled and give 100% knowing that .... very much doubt it. It is important that the club as part of their marketing to players convey they won't stand in their way if the right offer comes in to let them progress. The right offer did come in and therefore he's off.

Offence is often taken and rarely given. It doesn't mean you are either correct or have access to certain rights, it's just a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected. "oh I'm offended by that" ...... So fucking what! Stephen Fry

We already have a poacher in Danny Johnson who hasn't had a fair crack and is unlikely to going forward.

There's been a few on here with agenda's, Chris Humphries step-dad in law was also a "contributor"

Plenty of players left us after not being able to break through and made a good account of themselves in the championship, while there are a few gems in the lower leagues, there are also a few would be treading water in our league.

Safe to say most don't like conjecture and hyperbole dressed up as facts. That gets called out far more than negativity towards the club. It is important that it is distinguished and continued to be called out. I'm sure you will agree.

Do you know for certain what his enhanced contract terms were? Or in absence of that if any verbal assurances were given to the player that if a bid of xyz came in he would be free to talk to them? In an earlier post you convey that you are not going to renew your season ticket purely to punish the club for letting him go. By all means your right but not the action of a supporter when there is a very good chance that there is nothing the club could have done to keep him.

Jesus, with the POD not to be used for OF and now there's this too, you are limiting the clubs ability to make money.

All this is far from magnificent. Most of us are using conjecture and second guessing how conversations have gone. What is important, we don't know what's been said to David and what assurances if any have been made by any interested party. I do think he should have confidence in his ability, so far he has delivered on that front. You have to ask are Norwich interested in paying 3m for him as "why not?" or they really do think he could add something in the future. In terms of that league it is small change but in terms of that club in that league it is a decent investment. He should also have confidence in his own ability to go down there and break through. By no means will it be easy and it is a big step up, he goes from a big fish in a small pond to a wee fish in the EPL ocean. Jake Hastie cashed in for 5k a week and may never play again but will be set for life by his early 20's with 750k in the bank. Going to Celtic will sit badly with many, personally I see it as a step up but not the fulfilling the one he is capable of. Lennon does not strike me as a nurturing manager. It will be hard to see him in green and white but tempered when I recall his actions and performances to net the club our record fee. I expect we'll see him in C&A again in 10 or so years time in a Faddy-esque swansong.

I'd like to think that when the debt is cleared, we would be able to approach lower league/junior teams for their hot prospects in the way bigger teams approach us for ours. We react like rabid dogs to anything over 500k for one of our players. If their management are astute they would have any players with potential on a decent contact and I assume the likes of a Morton would find 100k a windfall of their own. Being able to offer 100k as a transfer fee before they become a free agent and open to the wage bidding frenzy with a plan of punting them on for at least 5x that in a few years plus has to be an added option for us now. I would hope enters our acquisition policy with the Turnbull/Hastie/McKinstry/Cadden (plus maybe Cedric sell on) windfalls in the region of potentially 4.5m this summer.

Seeing the behaviour of Celtic over the past week it's like a tinder date gone wrong. They both get home after the date that went OK but nothing special. Celtic texts Turnbull, "So how do you think it went? Do we see each other again?" Turnbull replies "Look I had a nice time but I'd prefer just to be friends" "Eh? ....... How come?, was it something I said or did?" Celtic's mum gets involved by texting"Hey, Celtic's lovely, just often misunderstood, I'm sure you'd be a great addition to the family" "Why is your mum getting involved? Jeez ..... Well if you do ask, you went on a bit too much about your ex from Govan and Ireland for my liking" "Arsehole, hope you meet a munter" "Well actually, its a wee hottie from the East of England that's far more attractive, all my friends say they seem lovely, thanks all the same" Celtic then rant via Facebook newsfeed "Went out on a date last night with an ungrateful bastard. Fuck you, you're not really my type anyway but I thought I'd give you a chance #toogoodforyou #bhoyswillbebhoys #hatetheplayernotthegame"

I mentioned bidding war before and now regret it. With this release clause the clubs know what it is that we have agreed to accept as a minimum, therefore why offer more to us at the expense of offering more to the player to make it more attractive to him? Of course they can sweeten the deal with a loan back/lonees/bigger sell on etc. which would make them the preferred bidder from Flow's point of view, however cash talks in a players hippy since Bosman.

When Hastie has gone to Ibrox for £5k a week (or thereabouts) I find that hard to believe.

2007 .... is that also when you made your last positive post?

Lots of hyperbole and conjecture on here and facebook. So let's look at what we know about this and what we can reasonably infer. If his agent is worth his salt he probably made sure when he was offered improved terms last season that a release clause was put in place Celtic got their fingers burned with McGinn last summer so aren't going to pinch like they did It looks like Celtic's latest offer has triggered a release clause and consequently Turnbull can speak to them regarding personal terms, it is far from a done deal This will no doubt spur those who have expressed interest into action who maybe thought they'd deal with this in July or August If another club matches or eclipses Celtic's bid then the club will inform the players agent that they are now preferred bidder and its again personal terms Flow despite being a Well fan first is responsible as a company director by the rules and governance pertaining to that role He does not want to sell a prized asset to another team in this league due to a few things, firstly the fan fallout as we are witnessing There is the potential for the player to come back and haunt us Finally the perception that more money will be forthcoming from a team in England Read between the lines of the press release, it is not purely an announcement that he is in talks with Celtic, its a call to action to other interested parties to get their finger out and dig deep Yes it would be nice if he stayed for 18 months more and went for 7 figures in January 2021 however that is not going to happen so let's all move on from that wishful thinking Nobody has really considered if he is a homebody and wants to stay locally, is willing to be hated by half the population of Scotland due to his employer, fancies the challenge of a move down south, etc. That will influence his move Lets all pray for a bidding war

Having an aim for 10th and everything above it is a bonus mentality is so depressing. Of course we want want to turn into a Dunfermline or more recently a Dundee Utd. There has to be ambition and a desire to improve. In our country we the 7th/8th biggest team, we vie for that with Kilmarnock. I think many resign ourselves to that position due to our crowd size. There was a general feeling with 2 cup finals reached last season that last summer there would be a war chest but as we know we missed out on a few players (Rory Gaffney was the player that Gary Neville spat the dummy over), players such as Main who looked like a perfect replacement for Moult misfired compared to what we expected and what can only be a bit of panic buying in Sammon and alike. I think it's safe to say Robinson (and Las) learned lessons and won't let that happen again. In our league you need pace and that has been at the forefront of most of our signings since. It wierd but last season I was indifferent before it started, now I'm the opposite. Most of the acquisitions seem to be astute and of course we all have hope they turn out well.

Oh it doesn't stop there weeyin, in the WS thread he posted this: "Now we are paying off a huge bill for the pleasure of having Baraclough, Straker, George Long, Wes Fletcher and other diddies plus paying for scouting systems and a club restructure which lasted about five minutes." Conveniently omitting both Marvin Johnson and Louis Moult who were signed during this period too and Ben Heneghan after Baraclough who's signature probably has to get the approval of Les. By putting a more even handed argument together. Every manager signs diddies, those who don't gel and those who fade into "who?" come December. But to omit players that made the club over £2m in transfer fees seems a little too contrived.

Johnstone - habitual voyeur

Apologies, it wasn't clear. I find the use of a .... or an emoji tends to help when sarcasm nuances can't be conveyed in the written word

You are aware that you have a vested interest in your prediction coming true? That will define your posts on here because ultimately for your premonition to come to fruition will require the club to have a meltdown. Seems a bit of a joyless position over the next few years, hoping they will say so you can spout on a forum or in a pub how you knew but nobody listened. However feel free to outline your reasoning and why you have an axe to grind. Maybe some of the preconceptions or "truths" you feel are fact may be challenged and your position changed, there's certainly a wealth of knowledge on here as to the running of the club that could nip a few of your views before they fester. It's a bit like betting money on our opposition to beat us in a game, which I did once and won 55 quid when Darren Jackson scored for Hibs. Do I take the three points or pad out my wallet. Never done it again since, don't want anything to taint wanting a Motherwell victory. Granted it helped there was a Ladbrokes in the East Stand at the time.

It must be a catalyst when you see a guy a year younger who had a 9 game purple patch and arguably not as talented picking up 4k more than you a week.

Academy - whither it be situated beside the Ravenscraig indoor pitch or the club approaches Dalziel and looks to build something and enhance the facilities there, I'm open to anything. As it's been pointed out it can be a fruitful return on investment if it is made attractive enough for those kids who may be dazzled by the OF. At least we are able to demonstrate a story of progression with a much better chance of being blooded in the senior team than any of the countless number who will shrink into obscurity after leaving Lennoxtown or Murray Park (is it still called that?). Community Engagement - We have a product that has the same overheads 19x a season to put on but on average 6,000 free seats at £20 each. Engage with lapsed, disenfranchised, those new to the area, those who had never thought of it. Being able to do an activity for £6 each approximately for 2.5 hours (adult and 2 free kids in the East) would maybe make many think twice as an option. I just don't think enough know about it, the club is limited in how they can approach people and safe to say free tickets to schools doesn't result in any sustainable windfall. 500 adults is £150k in revenue I'd look to break even with a marketing campaign that blankets the area/schools. Stadium - while not up to Tottenham's it does a job and functions. I'd rather money went elsewhere.

Aye and Stevie Kirk often pulled on the gloves and green jersey, doesn't make him a keeper

I think Cadden would be as surprised as most on here are that you put him in the forwards