Goggles & Flippers

Of course it matter, you seriously trying to convey that if Hastie returned from Alloa and continued his form from there which by all accounts was average kicked on and managed to get a few starts with us and the odd goal Rangers would parted with 400k for him?

I don't agree, Hastie's involvement was explosive where as Turnbull has been consistent and building from one week to another. If before he put pen to paper, Turnbull scored in almost every match then its quite feasible his head could have been turned and we'd be rueing his imminent departure.

I think back to the Cup Final last year and Bigi comes on in the second half, puts his foot on the ball and half this forum think he's the answer to our prayers. Robinson castigated for not playing him from the start, etc. For that reason some should appreciate one swallow does not make a summer and while it would be nice to see one of our own get that move that propels him and the clubs financial security I think we need to chill out at times. If I was a scout I'd pay particular attention to player of the year awards, being voted top by your teammates counts for a lot as they see that person week out in training and in games. The fact he had a clean sweep at 18 is remarkable and looks like he'll get the SPFL young player of the year. Means we will get bids this summer. Flow/Robinson probably have a number they have in their mind. Robinson will know that whatever we get, a portion will go to paying off legacy debts so he will have to replace him with a fraction of what we receive. So if that is say £2m and there's a £1.5m on the table with a health sell on clause but 10x salary jump Turnbull may find himself asking why not and looking to Hastie who had a run of half a dozen good games and is probably on more money already.

Surprising to see that nobody has factored in an offer coming in for him thats below the clubs valuation but theres a healthy wage being dangled. There's a lot to be said for that unsettling or asking to be transferred. As I pointed out before, a lot of the same chat on here Turnbull is getting is akin to what Cadden got in the aftermath of the playoff's. 7 figure plus transfer fees and alike. Here we are a few uyears down the line and combined with injury and being played in a different role it is felt he stagnated. I wonder if he and his advisors think taking the money and running over getting a full season under the belt and going for more the following summer would be a best idea with hindsight.

So in his pre-match interview Robbo mentioned 1 player offered lower terms based on appearances, 2 offered the same money and 3 offered improvements. Anyone know who's who? I assumed McHugh for reduced, Frear and Main for same and Cadds, Gorrin and Aldred (is he free this summer from Bury?) Sadly Johnson released as I don't think he did anything wrong other than need to play with a strike partner.

If he can help cement 7th and the extra prize money that goes with it I'd use him as much as is needed. If he is brought on and scores a 89th minute winner to secure the extra £62,500 then why not. It bumps up our return for him even more. To suggest otherwise is churlish and petty.

Thanks for clarifying .....

His surname with the accent above the e ...... Fané, offers a plethora of one liners, chants and choice shouts if he does sign. I can't wait.

How the tables have turned. While I'm not glad he's moved on and think if he'd maybe opted for something closer to Andy Robertson's career path then he may have had an option for greater things. I certainly don't wish him any ill will as long as he's mature and respectful to where he got his grounding and boost up from. However I find the level of double standards by posters on here astounding. If you had a chance to quadruple your salary, albeit it in a more competitive environment would you stay where you are? I sincerely fucking doubt it. So because he's a footballer there has to be a loyalty? Players with the very odd exception are mercenaries, its a short career and they have to make hay while the sun is shining. The planets have aligned for him, partly through good luck and party through hard work and endeavour. All those wishing him failure will and bringing up Slane, yeah I'm sure he's not oblivious to the stories and I'm sure he also recognises that a purple patch has earned him this move along with his contract status (which I doubt anyone at Motherwell would have had the foresight to foresee, we've had as many duds as inspired extensions). He plays alongside Cadden and after his performances in the playoff's I wonder if he rue's signing a contract extension opposed to moving on then or the season after for more money which he could have inevitably done.

No more Jamaica's for you then Doris

Last year after inheriting a bit of a shitshow from McGhee he totally exceeded expectations. This year despite an improved budget is marred by a poor summer of acquisitions. We can’t ignore that some we went for we didn’t get (see the spat with Neville). Regardless we’re currently under performing by what 2/3 league positions. Let’s calm down and stop giving the naysayers oxygen

And some blagging it like me I agree, looking through with mixed emotions, on one hand there are some strong candidates which bodes well and on the the other, there's the same strong candidates that makes the election a stern test. Regardless it's all good for the club.

Three excellent posts in this thread in the past day, many coming at different angles and views but all doing what this forum at its core is all about .... considering an alternative view and stimulating a discussion about something we all want to see remedied. The red mist and knee jerkers add nothing. The thread exploded off the back of the Killie defeat. I guess because many think we should be going there and getting a result or at the very best competing. Steve Clarke has proven to be an astute and inspired signing for them. He turned around relegation fodder last year and with minimal recruitment sent them on a remarkable run of form. Killie benefit from strong organisational management, everyone knows their jobs and when you combine with a pitch which nuances they have already got down and we get exposed to once/twice a year then I think a visit there is up there among the top 3 hardest places to get a result in Scotland at present. Yes ... the summer recruitment wasn't good enough but last summers had more successes than failures. However we're where we are now and have to get to January with what we've got. Yes ... we haven't used the exposure and whatever extra funds were released to improve the squad but it took Dunne, Higdon and numerous others a good while to prove their worth. Yes ... with hindsight the writing was on the wall in our preseason and league cup performances and I do agree the midfield is the misfiring element but I don't think we've had a well rounded middle of the Park since Jennings era. Even the 2012-13 team that finished 2nd had deficiencies in the middle.

To be fair nobody really criticised is transfer policy last season, he was involved in some canny acquisitions and would have got a few more plaudits if Bigi showed what he has so far this season. Hartley and Aldred have been fantastic additions. Dunne came onto a game and Cedric was a little lottery win. This issue for me and from scrolling through this thread is the almost universal acceptance that this business inbound this summer was underwhelming and not focused enough. Filling the teams with perceived 6/10's when a few 8's would have been more preferable to most of the support. I don't know if we were in for Tony Watt or O'Halloran but I'd like to think our facilities, central belt location, track record, ambition and ethos would be attractive to players. A manager is measured by his results both in terms of points/wins and playing staff. I fear a poor summer may come back to haunt him in the same way it may for Brendan. Regardless, for me, the man, the Hampden visits, everything, means he has bought a lot of time in my book to get it right again.

Isn't it maybe he's became available and he has potential to make us a bit of money. We all know how football works these days, English to English transfer ... crazy money, Salamanca de Garcia El Dubai Donadoni sells for 5x more than Shuggie Smith from Lesmahagow despite having the same footballing talent. While critical of our acquisitions this summer, our combined management team have also served us well so far, maybe best just to let them continue? *Salamanca's mother was a wee bit of a dirty.

You're seriously comparing last year when he was demoted to the U-20 on two separate occasions and fell out of favour. OK then ...... I look forward to one of us eating humble pie come May.

Ciftci hasn't done anything in Scottish football since he was in Tangerine. Kenny Miller has repeatedly produced the goods. I'd go with that in this instance. But I agree both lacking imagination but a loan deal or a 38 year old, both have little benefit other than the immediate.

Agree to disagree then, he offers a change from the built like the side of a house, back to goal, ball to feet strikers we have in abundance. To stick with more of the same opposed to a foil shows a certain degree of blinkeredness

Hindsight is a great thing but I'd have bitten your hand off to have Kenny Miller over Connor Sammon going into September.

Thoughts?

If he says Kenny Miller he's banned

Pre-season & League Cup .... indifferent. But we weren't alone in SPFL teams on that front. Hibs away .... in 2013 we would have felt going there was a shoe in to take all three points. With them strengthening and a capital club and the revenue that it brings then it is a tough ask. Lennon also seems to have bought well but they are more attractive and can therefore have access to a larger pool than we do. Accies at home .... yes this is one we would look to take something from and haven't. The issue with all three above hasn't been the way we have set up, its been the manner in which we conducted ourselves. There is no excuse for lack of fitness or organisation and that's down to Robinson and his coaching setup. Injuries do have a factor but not the major one. It also appears we have a few players in a lull in form. That will come back and if it does concurrently then we are a force. The summer recruitment while too early to fully write a report card hasn't built on the datum of last year and enhanced with extra quality. That may come to haunt Robinson. However for me he is still the man to take us through the season. I like him, his press conferences, his ethos and what he's trying to build. I don't know what we would attract in his absence or if Craggs and Las would be the natural successors. If we're adrift come December he has the January window to make things right which he has earned with last summers acquisitions.

I appreciate a few things: Firstly, a lot of players were given improved terms last season so a fair bit of the budget this season will be going to retaining those players services however from the outside it may appear like the status quo. Second, in the aftermath of the Gary Neville spat, its evident we had targets but were pipped at the final hurdle by being gazumped or not even in the ball park financially. Third I expect there are players we have identified who we can only pursue once we had money in the bank from sales. It is evident the midfield playmaker is perhaps the most rare of footballing talents as it seems they aren't as prevalent as the other positions. Therefore it carries a premium and every other team is courting these players. We have failed to source an adequate one for a good 5 years now. Finally, I do think Robinson is the man for the job. He achieved a lot last year (and the half dozen games or so of 2016/17), mainly centred around creating a feel good factor and having players give that extra 5% for their mates. Yes he played to the strengths of the team he recruited and unfortunately Celtic didn't turn up to either Final the way Aberdeen or Rangers showed up to the semi's, we seemed to take that role. It's evident he does have a plan B and C but due to personnel he is forced to stick to A. Now that gets the ire of the fans screaming for the introduction of a player. For whatever reason we tend to chase games rather than start off well and protect our position. I've said before that a manager is often judged and job security based on his summer acquisitions. Last year we had a few coups with Carson, Hartley and Cedric. Dunne impressed form January on, Tanner's contribution seems to have drifted from the memory because he's been out for so long but he definitely brought something and Rose continues to be someone that splits opinion. Aldred and Main were timely replacements for big players Hartley and Louis. Bigi hasn't featured as much as anyone thought, surprising due to his perceived pedigree so I can only imagine work ethic and commitment must be an issue. I think to succeed when you have less quality players in this league you have to reinvent your style and tactics before you play each round of 11 games. That's why we did so well till October, but failed from then on till New Year. We got found out and exploited.

I rocked up at Easter Road at 3pm on Saturday due to jetlag and combining with a visit to the festival shows. Prime fanny ... but glad I am a roaster because that was torture to watch. Seems this season so far has been misfiring apart for that first half where we scored 5.