Spiderpig

To use your analogy, they also dont move house if the roof needs fixed or the electrics rewired or the wallpaper replaced, they repair and improve as required. Fir park is no different, get a fully costed and planned refurbishment plan within the clubs budget in place and fix the issues over a set period of time that will cause the least disruption to games, and supporters etc. Do this and we will have a stadium fit for purpose, meets all the required standards and makes best use of the facilities we have, simples.

Delighted mate, should have been done a lot sooner though.

We are all aware of the constraints that a revamped Fir park would present but for me i would be up for staying and keeping all the memories etc, as long as the stadium was up to a modern standard as much as it can be within its limitations. We obviously cant knock the stadium down and start again so it would be done in stages, there will be disruption but nothing that cant be overcome. However until we see any potential proposals and timescales its nigh on impossible to make any informed comment. So I hope that whatever the club decide to do the supporters will be consulted via the WS or whatever other means they choose as we all have valid inputs.

100% spot on that sums up his time here perfectly, he was dross.

Outdated coaching methods, outdated and poorly qualified coaches, a governing body thats not fit for purpose, a league structure thats set up to pander to two teams at the expense of the other 40, lack of talented players, academy players struggling to get game time, a governing body that thinks it can do no wrong,, useless crap referees, a compliant media only interested in two teams. Thats a few reasons to be going on with.

The club going ahead with the Dalziel park proposals is for me a big hint that they want to stay at Fir Park, as it makes no financial sense to spend millions on new training facilities that could be incorporated into a new build stadium site and have everything on the one site. I think the cost of a new stadium for a club of our size is beyond our means so staying at Fir park with all its faults and the no doubt high refurb costs etc might be the cheaper and financially sensible option. Also if we do decide to move it has to be to a stadium design thats suitable and acceptable to the fans, and not a generic 4 stand open corner soulless ground that we would alk hate.

Aye ok then fancy new stadiums and training facilities, feasabillity studies, its all a bit hypothetical pie in the sky BS for a club of our size and means. Personally id settle for decent, fit for purpose seats in the POD.

The players are professional athletes, well looked after and being well paid for what they do, playing two games of football a week, should not be a problem for them. If we want to improve in Europe to be regular participants and make the group stages for the first time, being ready to play two games a week is the standard we should be aiming for.

Thats normal procedure for games against the uglies, if they were losing or needing a goal it would be more than 5.

The turkeys dont vote for christmas, the clubs inherrent self interests will kick in so any plan that involves less income from games especially against the uglies will never be agreed.

So far for me in the emails and statements from the club on this issue the standout thread is finance., Did not want to reduce seats in the POD, maximising seat availability for the Euro games, etc. This is what you would expect if the existing seats were compliant etc but not when the alleged solution swapped out better seats for cheap, shoddy not fit for purpose ones, thats putting profit ahead of fan comfort and safety. The reduction in the pod prices back in May/June now makes sense, to nullify the more money for poorer seats argument, however that objective failed with the choice of seats we got. We all know the constraints of the pod, the UEFA compliance etc, etc but the choice of new seats was poor, was any proper testing done, i think not. So moving forward im sure that all that people want is for the club to man up and admit they got it wrong, set out a plan / timescale to resolve the issue and then get it done. But burying their heads and hoping there are no accidents resulting in negligence claims against the club is not the way to proceed. As for the WS, im not a member but their silence on the issue speaks volumes of how they see their role in interacting with the club, ie attend the meetings but stay quiet, and dont rock the boat, they should be ashamed. The POD ST renewal figures next May / June should be interesting.

Aye i noticed that as well, which concerns me if hes not actually been released. Maybe its part of the deal or probably more likely that the club and the players agents etc are still w orking out the details.

Ill give you white and Blyth, they were brutal but not Bowman and Main, Stamas league goals mainly penalties. Main and especially Ryan elbows Bowman put themselves about, knew where the goals were and generally read the game well. Stama was never where he should have been, his reading of the game was shocking always reacting and never anticipating so he was never able to make the most of any potential chances. He arrived and was full of promise, scored a few pens but never kicked on, after his 1st child was born he was not interested always injured and generally looked like he never wanted to be in the shire. He was never the standard we needed and never would be, sent back to Sydney on loan and even they did not want him. So releasing him was the only sensible option.

Lets be honest he is brutal and is never going to get any game time going forward, nobody is going to make a bid for him, so it makes sense to cut your losses and agree a deal re his contract to release him and free up a wage, it should have been done at the end of last season.

How do you know they were ST holders, they pay their money the same as you and as such are entitled to their own opinions, if its different from yours, so what. Calling somebody willie Wonka is disgraceful now, aye ok then. Disgraceful behaviour is setting off pyros and going on the pitch, when repeatedly being told not to, so wind your neck in.