Spiderpig

It was me who posted the lists one for Motherwell and one for Groningen in the debate about trying to resign KVV, on the ins and outs theead i think,yes they were more than likely speculative shite but I suspect the figures won't be that far away from the truth.

Add to that list the cash we are allegedly spending each year funding a women's team. For me that's a vanity exercise and the money could be better spent elsewhere. But I totally agree the problems are not limited to SK the whole governance of the club needs to be looked at.

Turnbull starting for Cardiff City away at West Brom tonight.

Aberdeen are just as bad as us, make sure Mijovski is denied any time on the ball and they have nothing to offer, as you say our record up there is decent this game is very winnable.

Learn to recognise the fuds on here and just ignore them as they only post shite looking for a reaction, when the team is doing well they are nowhere to be seen and only appear after a bad result,

Thats shite patter, A total of 6 or 7 posts on the forum and your learning to be a fud quite quickly, have a look at yourself ffs.🤦‍♂️

Only 54 years for me but totally agree, I never went tonight or watched it on TV but the result is no surprise, I've lost count over the years of games that we go into as favourites after a great result or run of form, we take a big support and every time we feck it up. But that's what you get supporting Motherwell it's not our 1st bad result and it won't be the last, we can concentrate on staying in the premiership now.

Sorry was it not cryptic enough for you, its freely available on a Web search so it's probably shite but then again most things are online.

Here's all the info you need https://salarysport.com/football/eredivisie/fc-groningen/ For comparison here's the Motherwell list https://salarysport.com/football/scottish-premiership/motherwell/

I thought he was brutal when we signed him, not up to standard, but his improvement has been fantastic that's him up to 8 goals now I think. That said he's still work in progress and that showed in the chances he missed last night, particularly the 2nd one when he failed to take it round the keeper. He needs to improve his positional play to get on the end of some of the balls into the box, but if he carries on developing we may just have unearthed a good player.

Spittal for me his 1st goal was great, the 2nd was a thing of beauty and to cap a brilliant night for him, his pass to play Vale in for the 5th was excellent.

Brilliant performance tonight, 5 nil and to be honest 7 or 8 would not have flattered us, we pumped them, Bair was outstanding and our 4th goal was a thing of beauty, goal of the season contender. Great to see Vale getting a debut goal, he looks quick, there's work to be done but we can maybe start looking upwards a bit now.

Aye the Internet in Troll land must be down

The same one as you, stop being dramatic " blooming shocking" there was feck all wrong with it.

So you would have kept the old pitch then, the one that was looking more like a section of the somme battlefield every season, that was a glorious failure as well.

What's up with the pitch to make it ridiculous? It looked OK to me on Saturday

Do you honestly think he will score lots of goals, he's looking overweight, hasn't played since November, so it's going to take at least a month to get him match fit he's not the goal machine from last season, but he's Killies problem now.

When they finish in 6th and out of the Euro places and KVV is away back to Groningen they'll realise it was money wasted

You know exactly what it means, but you chose to respond with some patronising shite, "The laziest clichés in the worst newspapers" aye OK then 🤦‍♂️

I'm on record as saying Bair is brutal, and never premiership standard, but the way he's playing I might have to reconsider that view, he's getting better week by week, his positional sense is still a bit ropy, and not enough sticks to him, but as SK's project he is turning out well so far. 2 points lost for me today, we deserved to win.

Unfortunately in modern football exorbitant wage demands are the norm and at a level we cant compete in so the clubs unwillingness to pay them is irrelevant. As for the current custodians of our club I've no doubt they are all successful business people in their own fields but not at running a football club, these are the people who signed off on players like Obika, Souare, Shaw, Wilkinson etc⁸ costing the club decent money no doubt on wages etc for nothing in return. we're now on our 3rd manager since Robinson left, we can't seem to appoint a CEO to replace Burrows, our recruitment strategy is a shambles and year on year its getting worse, its a constant downward spiral. I hope the recent moves to attract additional investment are successful as that may be the catalyst needed to get the club back on track to building a stable team, instead of the summer and winter clearouts we seem to now be getting.

Let's get some context on this ffs, I have no doubt that there were lots of strikers available none of which were experienced, prolific regular starters as they are not available in a January window and especially not for the money we can offer. I'm sure SK tried but the harsh reality is we're not an attractive proposition for some players especially financially. So the players we brought in are what we can afford people need to realise as a club we are feckin skint. The usual suspects are slagging off Vale without seeing him play, they probably did the same for Higdon, and KVV so let's wait and see how it turns out. Our defence is just about the worst in the league so we sign defenders and people are still not happy ffs. As I've said before and no apologies for repeating myself the whole club set up / governance needs reformed the well meaning amateurs we currently have need to go as the club needs to get back on track and stabilise.

As I've said in another thread the whole current structure and governance at the club is not fit for purpose, no full time CEO, potential financial issues, recruitment is a shambles etc etc. Root and branch changes are required to get the club on a sustainable operating model going forward, if not the future is looking bleak.

For me we dodged a bullet with KVV, he's been shit at Groningen since he left in the summer, got his deal on past glories which he is very unlikely to repeat, but fair play to him for cashing in. This window has highlighted just how skint we are, we get the players we can afford, ie those on realistic wages or favorable loan deals, plus is coming to play in the Shire an attractive option for some. My main concern is that in 5 months time we will go through this whole nonsense again with another rebuild , we need stability and time to build a team, but only time will tell if we learn from previous mistakes and for me I don't think the current structure/ governance etc at the club is up to the challenge.

From the BBC gossip page today, so it looks like they are up for selling him, there's obviously been a fallout there between KVV and the club. So if there's a transfer fee involved, that's us fecked. Groningen are willing to listen to offers for 32-year-old former Motherwell striker Kevin van Veen. (RTV Noord)