Spiderpig

Stats, all irrelevant drivel the only one that matters is the final score at 5:45pm on Saturday telling us we scored more goals than Untd, coyw.

As I understand its the VAR officials who decide if an incident needs reviewed, they should be telling the ref to stop play etc till the review is over, and if that means the game goes on longer then that's what should happen. So for me the VAR team fecked up, by not informing the ref of a pending review or more likely they were not watching it either way it should not have happened. Can you imagine the uproar if that had happened in a game involving the uglies It's not been a very professional start for VAR so it needs to improve rapidly for people to have any confidence in it.

For me yesterday was not a good start for VAR, the checks were taking far too long, the 1st Goal was a straightforward no offside, should have been over in 30 seconds, as was the 2nd check which was done quickly. The worst was the incident right at the death involving Lamie, as clear a penalty as you will ever see, but no check made, no word to the ref to wait till a check had been made and we lose a potential chance to get a point. Can you imagine the uproar there would be if that had involved either of the ugly sisters, chasing the game to salvage a point. I get the impression though that the system Scotland got looks a bit pound shop level compared to the English premiership version, and that combined with the dubious standard of refereeing in Scotland does not fill me with confidence that it will work well.

Even if SH was ripping into them as you put it and the players dont respond what can he do, have people forgot we are in a bit on an Injury crisis at the club just now, a paper thin squad with no cover, none of which is SH's fault, he inherited the mess. So currently we need to run with what we have and the team we had out yesterday is probably the strongest 11 we could field, maybe Cornelius in for Tierney from the start is all that he could realistically change. So we need to run with what we have until the injured players recover( maybe never in the case of Aarons and Moult) to give us more of a threat and pick up as many points as we can before January when we can hopefully strengthen the squad and get a couple of goalscorers in. So basically people need to cut SH some slack at the moment and wring their knickers out, no need for any pant wetting just yet.

Lamie for me, another solid performance today, and was denied a stonewall penalty at end.

So drop experienced players and bring in academy players with no 1st team experience very little game time and probably not ready to step up, aye OK then that will sort us out, give SH a call and pass on your wisdom. You really are a fud.

I thought VAR would sort out this sort of thing, I guess the officials were on their break when this went down It was a feckin shambles today, decisions taking ages.

Another chance missed today, 3 points dropped to a very poor Aberdeen team, who in all honesty were as bad as us, but a different class when it came to time wasting, going down at every opportunity, conning the referee, even Goodwin was at it grabbing McGinns shirt when he was taking a throw in, and don't get me started on that diving wee shite Duk. Some of our play was excellent today, especially 2nd half and we really should have went in front, KVV missed a sitter, but a blind man can see where our issues are, we create nothing, no threat at all, SH took a punt on Moult and Aarons and its failed, for me both of them are done and I reckon we won't see either of them play this season. So we need to try to pick it as many points as we can before January and hope then we can get at least another 2 goalscorers in the transfer window. This year is a repeat of last season, 10 teams beating each other and dropping points all the time, think its 1 win in 7 for us but we are still only 6 points off 3rd and 4 off 12th, so no need for any pant wetting just yet.

I see you are still spouting shite, but for the benefit of discussion who would you replace them with from the current squad?

Rangers never embarrassed us last week, they scraped a win mainly due to shocking defending by us basically gifting them 2 goals. I know it been nearly 20 years since we beat them in the league, but very rarely are we outclassed by them, the last embarrassing pumping in that fixture was for them in the playoff final a few years back. The green uglies are a very different prospect they have the potential to embarras teams on a regular basis, last Wednesday night being one of them

Does anybody truly believe that every time we play the uglies the players and management start with the"right lads we're not going to beat this mob today, so take it easy and don't worry " attitude? For me that's utter bollocks , Hammell's comment for me were referring to playing ability and they are all true, Celtic in particular are many levels above us, financially, playing ability, coaching etc and as harsh as it sounds we are nowhere near them. Yes every team is beatable and we have done that on many occasions but the players want to win every game and on most occasions against them that's not possible as they have better players than us and always will have. As long as the uglies are spending tens of millions each year to dominate domestic football in Scotland the other teams start each season playing for 3rd and that situation will never change. So I can't see why people are getting stressed about last night we were ripped a new one by a far superior team, who in all honesty should have scored a few more goals as i said previously our season is never defined by results against the uglies anything we get is a bonus, but the other 9 teams are our targets, 3rd place best of the rest finish, Euro qualification, and a bit of luck in cup draws would be nice.

Agree with this but I hope that Efford, Aarons and Moult are fit and available, we have created nothing in the last 2 games so we need some options to make us more of a threat. The way we are playing just now if we go a goal down, it's hard to see how we are going to get back into the game.

Just for clarity you do know the goal would not have counted, don't you, the ball was out and the flag was up before KVV hit the ball to cross it in, so not really a chance was it.

Just back in, game went as I expected it would, again we offered nothing up front, but the difference in ability between the 2 teams is vast. Sunday was a big disappointment as that Rangers team was poor and there for the taking but tonight we were outclassed by a far superior team, who in all honesty should have won by a few more goals, so there is no shame in that. Our season won't be defined by results against the uglies, but SH needs to sort out our strike force as we currently offer nothing, no out ball so I hope we get somebody else in come January or we will struggle big time, as sadly I am not convinced Moult and Aarons are the answer given their current lack of game time.

This " lucky , spawny, jammy" chat is utter shite the truth that people seem to conviently forget is that yes we were brutal from December onwards but in a league of 9 other teams who were equally as bad someone had to play well enough to grind out the results, pick up important points, win games etc to finish 2nd out of the 9, for a top 6 finish and European qualification which is what we did, luck had feck all to do with it.

If the online chatter and rumours are to be believed we have an injury problem at the club, Moult, Spittal, Efford all missed the game yesterday and probably won't feature on Wednesday, Lamie went off injured so he might not be back either so be prepared for pretty much the same team as faced Rangers. We struggled to create anything yesterday and I can't see that changing on Wednesday so it's going to be a very big ask to beat Celtic with the paper thin squad resources we currently have. But that said upsets happen so it's possible we can get through but in all reality I suspect we will lose as if we go a goal down I can't see us getting back into the game.

So what's the excuse for the other 4 players who had a chance to bring Tillman down and didn't as I said nothing to do with Goss.

That's the reality in Scotland just now, the gap between the ugly sisters and the rest of the premiership teams is vast, financially and playing ability. Those 2 are the only teams that are ever going to win the title, and the majority of the Scottish cup and League cups as well. Scotland is not unique though as most leagues have the same issues, ie dominated by a few teams year in year out, money is the one common factor for success, the more you have the better your team will be.

What a load of shite blaming Goss for their 1st goal ffs there were another 4 players who were not willing to take a yellow for the team and bring Tillman down. That's why we keep losing games because we're not streetwise enough to realise when the odd "tactical foul" is required. If we had done that yesterday I reckon we would have taken something from that game as their 1st goal gave them a boost they never deserved.

Not naive defending, very poor defending 5 players running with Tillman and not one of them prepared to save a goal and take a yellow for the team by taking him down. Had they not scored then I think they might have struggled to get a goal as they got a boost they never deserved.

We are currently 4 points off 3rd place and 4 off the bottom, we need to start winning and climbing the table to be safe mid table, a few wins before the world cup break would be nice.

To be fair that's as close as it gets to a sensible and accurate post from you.

Better repost when the drink wears off, Celtic will pump us, and we will have no reply.

Tierney for me, though he was great never stopped all game, special mentions for SOL at the back, never put a foot wrong and McKinstry for his 1st ever Motherwell goal.

Just back from the game, a very poor Rangers team there for the taking and we pressed high, had a lot of the ball, but created feck all, gifted them a 1st goal when they never looked like scoring and gave them the boost they never deserved. We are so lightweight up front its costing us big time, worried we have a constantly injured Moult and Aarons on the books contributing nothing so far. We had some good play and possession, McKinstry's goal was a beauty but too little too late, so unless we start creating chances and scoring on a more regular basis we are going to struggle goals win games. So very disappointed today we let a team low in confidence, and short on players off the hook.