Well Well

Is this the 5 minute edited version or the full 4 hour interview? (and he was only asked 3 questions..!!)

that aged well 😀almost 30 seconds into the game

As soon as Tavares and Robinson came on I knew it was gone. They have offered absolutely nothing all season and I would love to know what SK thinking was bringing them on?

I just hope SK doesn't overthink things. 🤔

Happy with that

Who voted for Tony Watt? 🤔🤣

Yodo will be absolutely fuming at this performance (especially Halliday's) and result.

You seem to be the only one a little alarmed. Right across the spectrum of elections in any sphere the turnout is usually low. I think your reading way too much into this.

To tell you the truth I think a lot of the low turnout is down to all the Barmack nonsense and people just need a rest from politics at their club just now, that and holidays, back to school etc. Lots of stuff diverting people's attention. I certainly don't read anything sinister in it.

I was pleasantly surprised with the quality of the matchday email sent out by the club. The email is very well laid out. Loads of information around the team. What's going on around the club on matchday and travel arrangements. Future events, mascots etc just loads of relevant info. The club gets hammered a lot around comms but I thought this particular email (is this the first one in this format?) answered all my pre match questions. Well done MFC.

Seriously...it was a friendly..your points are fine for the competitive stuff but they need to work on tactics and formations in a match environment as well, these games are not about winning. We don't need guys getting any more needless injuries just because you want them chasing a completely pointless win in a friendly and being unavailable for competitive games. That's just madness.

Wilson was absolutely fine, had a few forays down the flank and some good balls into the box. He had some interplay with Paton who was talking him through the game. He wasn't really tested defensively and that will come with games. Wells was ok as well. However you cant base that friendly on whether they are first team ready. Just need to get more exposure and minutes in games. I am sure the managers and coaches will be manage that exposure. It was nice to see them get a start though.

You do know it was a pre season friendly for getting fitness?. I doubt the manager or the players really cared whether they won or not. The league cup will sort out any tactics and formations for the league season starting. How anyone can read anything in to that game is absolutely laughable.

We now have two psychos in centre of defence. Apparently the new guy Liam Gordon snapped the new captain that's why he is out a few months. He didn't shy away from a tackle today or in training apparently. Casey looks like he has been in the gym all pre season as well. Gonna enjoy the new season with that pairing

Erik Barmack just posted this on P&B; Back for Day 2 -- I think I'm going to need more animated gif memes to survive here. I just want to clarify a few points that may be at least somewhat helpful in this discussion: (1) The design of our offer was always to give fans 50%+. Because there were discussions with lots of parties, and the actual governance of the Club isn't the easiest to understand, we landed where we did -- but if the main concern was keeping TWS, specifically, at 50%+, I'm sure smart people (not me) could sit in a room and solve it. Intention matters here. (2) There is a moving target, too, on what we, collectively, think the state of the Club's finances are. I want to repeat that I am not in the gloom-and-doom category of the state of finances, but on any given year, there COULD BE a gap, and those gaps are likely to require outside funding because of FFP requirements. I personally don't believe that the choices are "TWS goes with the Barmack plan" OR "TWS funds nothing." I kind of believe that TWS will have to fund some things in the coming years, regardless, and we need to look at the delta of that amount, which is admittedly difficult to do.The intention of our offer was so that planning could be done over several years and with greater predictability. (3) The intention of the "call option," was so that we were held accountable. That's the key forcing function. We think we'd be good at working with TWS, Brian and others, but lots of people think they're good at things and end up sucking. I don't think that the argument holds that the call option won't be exercisable, because it ignores the fact that player sales, which are extremely likely to occur, will be held in escrow. Finally, there's snark about "fees" associated with the call option, and just for clarity, those are fees that would involve lawyers and accountants to open and close a business. (Read: It would suck for us to have the option called.) (4) On valuation, to be slightly more specific, there are a few thoughts: (a) We know that 6-7 offers were made on MFC, and none were deemed better -- that's one point. (b) We personally looked at clubs in the SPFL and top clubs in the Championship, and I can tell you that the valuations are all within a range that's not wildly off, though it's also true that football prices change constantly. (c) One just playful idea -- Newcastle United does more revenue in total than the entire SPFL, and it sold a few years back for 300m pounds. If you track revenue within the SPFL, at least 82-85% of it is attributable to the OF, and at least 10% of the remaining chunk is the Edinburgh clubs and Aberdeen. That gets you to 7 clubs splitting 7-10% of the revenue. Yes, Newcastle has grown over the last two years, but even if that club is now worth 400m pounds, as a comp, you'd be looking at 7-10% of 40m pounds across seven clubs, and those clubs have different levels of debt/stadiums/etc. That may not be convincing, but it was helpful to me in combination with a+b. Still, valuation can be quite subjective. And little changes (a player sale, a better stadium, a new media rights deal) can completely change things. So, I'm not asking you to agree with me, per se. I just want you understand that thought was put into this. (5) There have been a number of posts about death-star-like machinations to somehow gut the club in year 6, or flip assets. Here I ask for the intermingling of faith/logic -- there are approximately a gazillion easier ways to make money than through the SPFL, and if there was some plan to strip assets in year 6, it's going to be a terrible one. The only way we (possibly) ever make money off this opportunity is if the Club grows brilliantly, and someone else wants to engage in a hybrid model of fan ownership. (6) Finally, I wanted to put a little context behind our negotiations. This will sound somewhat counter-narrative to this particular board, but the members of the MFC Board were all passionate about our offer because we emphasized that we wanted to balance private and fan-ownership interests. They were very concerned, too, about long-term stability for MFC and worked selflessly on this deal (I know I'm not making fans here, but that's what I experienced.) We put the best offer out that we could given the information we had, it was accepted by the Board, and presented to TWS Board several times. Concerns were expressed, obviously, but nothing to the extent of the dissenting letter that went out yesterday, and that's not a knock on the WS Board -- I believe that they're acting in what they perceive to be the best interests of the Club. Similarly, and just sharing for transparency, I get tons of emails telling us to hang in there, because the most vocal critics are on message boards/Twitter, and that a larger percentage than this board might think could want "change." (I''m not sure if that's right, but it's something to consider -- but, on the other hand, I also don't want to be "right," get a deal done, and have Block E holding up signs that read: "Barmacks go home.") Summarizing, we're not total buffoons, we hope, nor are we the most venal extreme of American capitalists. We still think what we put forth would make the Club stronger. If it doesn't, I don't believe MFC is somehow doomed -- it's just a different trajectory. I still like and respect Derek, Sean, Jason and those who are adamantly against the present deal, and if they have feedback for me, I will always take it. I don't know if this is helpful, but wanted to lay some of these pieces out for consideration. E

Thanks for the responses. It helps me to understand the different viewpoints. It may not be rocket science but there is some misinformation and smoke being put out there by both sides.

I cannot understand why those who want the current Barmack proposal booted into the sun asap ( I am not a fan either btw of the current proposal) and then go on to push the WS plan as the way forward. It might be an absolute pile of fairy dust and wishful thinking. I don't know the Well Society board but a third have resigned and for me that does not bode well for the future. If their plan is so much better for the club why did a full third resign before it is even published. It does not inspire confidence of any cohesion and unity and probably reflects the alleged division amongst the wider fanbase.

I opted for this from my usual season ticket card but it only said this option would be delivered before the season starts?. Digital season ticket: These will be emailed out ahead of the new season. Please keep an eye out on your emails.

Still nothing from the doom mongers? 😀

actually you are wrong, however good luck trying to find a Procurator Fiscal who will take a case on. Usually confined to Old Firm games that boil over. Duncan Ferguson? Chris Kamara? https://crime.scot/assault/

Yeah you have gone too far with that bit

Can we rely on the sell a player model forever without investment?. Personally I don't think so. If anything we have been extremely lucky to have a few players coming through the academy that we can sell off, unfortunately we are seeing recently a few signing for bigger clubs before we can cash in on them. I don't think the Well society can sustain the club at its current level and probably not if we were in a league lower with the lack of premier league gates and revenue. I honestly don't know what the answer is however I don't think we can continue the way we are we can't go into every season with our fingers x that we don't get relegated and a player plays well enough to sell on. Finances are yo-yoing no matter how you try to spin them.

So you don't actually know

He won so why should he resign??

Well done Motherwell. Vital 3 points. Takes a bit of pressure off.