dennyc

Better be careful. You'll get yourself banned from all things SFA, including car parks. Next they'll be demanding the BBC cancels your TV licence so you can't comment on future cock ups by their Officials.

No we won't. Because the attempt to cheat was picked up at the time and dealt with properly. The referee and officials were not conned by Cartwright's attempt at cheating and there was no advantage gained by Falkirk. So in that respect it was nothing like the Slattery incident. Whether we like it or not, Slattery was dealt with as others have been who were found to have gained their club an advantage by cheating ( additional suspended 2 games aside). Plenty of examples. And not just with players of so called wee teams. Hearts and Rangers spring to mind. Nowadays VAR should mean that incidents are dealt with in game time, ensuring no retrospective bans. That is the real failing of the system as far as Slattery is concerned.

There is no incentive to improve no matter how many are involved. Irrespective of how many errors they make or how many times they ignore the Laws, with Collum in charge they are untouchable and decisions justified to the extreme. You just have to watch the farcical monthly review to see the institution in action. Collum has devised his own personal rule book. Quote ' Our stakeholders don't want to see that'. Translation ' We will ignore the Laws (sometimes)'. Possibly one reason why none of his team of experts made the 150 heading to the USA. That speaks volumes. Change will only be possible when leadership is honest and prepared to apply standards. How about instead of an ex referee being in charge, they appoint a former non Scottish player who understands the game and can tell the difference between intent and accidental, the difference between natural and unnatural? Move on from mates covering mates. Better still, just scrap VAR. I am now at the stage where hearing the justification for the ever growing number of errors is more frustrating than the errors themselves.

According to the match programme on Saturday the VAR Official was Steven McLean. The same VAR Official from the Aberdeen cup tie. The same referee who put in a shocking performance in the home game v Rangers a week before the cup tie and was loudly booed off at the end. Obviously just a coincidence as I'm sure he holds no grudges.

Won't matter what size of pool we have if they don't know the Laws of the game and are not held accountable when that ignorance shows like it did Saturday. Will anybody challenge Collum to explain why 3 of his team, 5 if you include the Asst Refs, either didn't know the Law or decided to ignore it? Not a chance.

Under Kettlewell our future looked extremely limited and it was all about survival. It felt like only a matter of time until top flight status was lost. Our players looked almost as fed up as the fans. Games were not enjoyable, even when we won. That was the reality of the situation. Speaking personally I found it more and more of a chore to attend matches. No exaggeration to say that in over 60 years of attending games I had never felt as scunnered. Under Askou I look forward to games and love what I am watching each week, even if the outcome is frustrating at times. That's football for you. All season we have been looking up and not down, with top six achieved at a canter. We have players who are a joy to watch and should attract decent offers should we choose to cash in. Several who were ignored or looked done under Kettlewell are now performing to a high standard. We are looking forward to further progress next season and indications from within the Club are that planning to that end is well advanced. And all that achieved in next to no time. The results comparison surprised me. I admit that. But that alone does not tell the story. The increase in attendances, home and away, would suggest that many folk feel the same way as me. No matter what happens post split, this season has been a positive that none of us could have imagined under Kettlewell. For me that is the comparison that matters. Fans now have belief and are turning up in large numbers. The players look to be enjoying what is being asked of them. He may not be a legend yet but I hope he stays long enough and is supported sufficiently to have a shot at achieving that status.

I guess it is about fairness no matter what club is involved. And the Slattery situation is annoying given it should have been dealt with on the night. No argument about that. Believe me I am annoyed as well as we will miss him when we need him most. The thing that also annoys me though is that a good few on here (not saying that includes you) are playing the victim card...poor wee Motherwell, this would not happen to a big club.... and in doing so are losing sight of what actually happened. Almost turning Slattery into a Martyr.. He isn't. He did a stupid thing and got caught after the fact. Got punished. Same as others, albeit pre VAR. For me that failing of VAR is the big issue the authorities should be dealing with. The ineptitude of their own officials. I think we are all agreed on that? Folk also have a concern about the delay in the matter being dealt with. Seems a fair point on the face of it. Again that aspect is annoying. But if Motherwell had accepted the punishment when cited, the ban could have come into play right away. Dundee and Hibs? By contesting a charge and seeking a hearing, a Club is given two weeks to gather video evidence and witnesses in support of their case whilst the Authorities put together a Panel. Motherwell opted to fight the accusation, and many will agree they were correct to do so, but that may have added to the delay. That's my understanding anyway, looking to the procedures followed in the past. Anyway, thanks heavens there is a game coming up in a few days. We can move on and hopefully get a much needed boost, particularly having suffered through Steve Clarke's latest delivery of fearful football and games for the boys.

That's true if those others were caught in match. But other than the two match suspended nonsense, Slattery received the same punishment as others who were later found to have conned officials into awarding penalties/ red cards. Exactly what we were demanding when Kipre was sent off after Brown conned the referee. Plenty of other examples of similar punishments in the past. Despite comments to the contrary this was not a ground breaking or historic decision. Rangers appealed when it happened to them insisting contact had been made (Aluko dived to win a penalty in a 2-1 win over Dunfermline - 2 match ban) and were unsuccessful. But far easier to ignore precedents and play the victim card. Slattery got caught, got punished in line with others. It's done. Would we have complained had Scott Brown been cited and banned for two games with the Kipre red card rescinded? As others have said, the real issues here are inconsistency and the ineptitude of VAR and the match officials. Had they done their job correctly then it would have been dealt with immediately at less cost to Motherwell and Slattery. In an ideal world, with the introduction of VAR, situations like this should not occur. But in reality they will as long as players continue to exaggerate contact.

He was cited fairly quickly enough according to MFC. That it took so long for a panel to be convened to assess his guilt and punishment is a farce. He then got a suspension which the Club could have anticipated. Especially as they went public in condemning his behaviour, perhaps hoping to avoid what has now happened. Same ban as others who got cited for an act of cheating missed by the officials. I agree the suspended two games has come from nowhere. That part I think is nonsensical. But not the two match ban. Same as Cantwell and Brown should have received. Would we have complained had that pair been banned? Pretty sure if I could be bothered checking back, most on here (including me....and you?) were calling for them to be hammered. Scott Sinclair as another example I think? Amazing how Slattery has gone from cheat to victim though. I thought that approach was reserved for a certain other team. And if we want to be honest about it, Slattery has form. Went down clutching his face right in front of the POD not that long ago. Referee wasn't fooled that time although I admit I was until TV proved me wrong. This time his luck ran out. Hopefully he has learned his lesson as we need him on the pitch. Our referees, Var and authorities are far from competent and certainly seem exempt from accountability and demotion. That is the aspect that needs sorting. But this chain of events started because Slattery let himself, the fans and the Club down. Now we will all pay the penalty. By the way, I like Slattery and hope he signs on for next season.

Kemar Roofe banned retrospectively for violent conduct in 2021. Two games. Appeal failed. Originally given a yellow but cited and banned for two league games. Slattery did wrong and Motherwell's Statement is not accurate re precedent. Had Cantwell been cited and banned for feigning injury to get Slattery sent off we would all have been delighted. Same for Scott Brown and Kipre. The fact they were not cited highlights the inconsistency and the feeling that not all Clubs are treated equally. But that does not make the Slattery outcome wrong. Just want to see the same rule applied going forward as I detest cheating. I hope our Board will be all over any similar incident if treated differently.

It has not been made up on the hoof. Walker of Hearts and Shalke of Ross County both received two match bans for cheating. Ironically one of the games Shalke sat out was against us. No mention before of suspended bans though so that is new. For the conspiracy theorists, both those bans were after restospective charges were brought following games against Celtic. Meekins of Inverness did have such a ban overturned on appeal. He was also cited after a match v Celtic. He would have missed a Cup Final had the decision been upheld. After the Compliance Officer was accused of having links to Celtic such citations suddenly stopped. Until now it seems. Again. all before VAR was introduced to assist referees who got it wrong on first viewing.

Exactly this.

From an old press story. Don't know if England ever followed the Scottish example. As usual, the application of the rule is what causes the anger up here. I see England did have retrospective action in place for violent conduct at that time, but not for diving. Anyways, it's not a new thing. The Football Association has confirmed it is talking to the Scottish Football Association about the pros and cons of taking retrospective action against players who dive. Introduced in 2011, the SFA's rule 201 gives a disciplinary panel the power to impose two-game bans for acts of simulation missed by the match officials or rescind yellow cards for players who were incorrectly adjudged to have dived. Hearts winger Jamie Walker has experienced both verdicts this season, having served a two-game ban for a dive to gain a penalty against Celtic in August and then been retrospectively cleared of simulation during a game against Rangers in December. Speaking to Press Association Sport, an FA spokesman said: "The issue of simulation is under review and we have a continuing dialogue with other associations about rules and regulations. "We are interested in going to see the SFA to talk about how their rule is working but it is part of that wider conversation." The spokesman added that any change to the rules in England would need support from across the game -- managers, players, referees and so on - and would be done via the Football Regulatory Authority. The general view in Scotland is rule 201 has had a positive impact, although there has been some criticism of the apparent contradiction between a player getting a yellow card for an offence seen by a referee but a red card for the same offence if the referee missed it. In the past, world football's governing body FIFA has stuck to the principle that matches should be refereed on the pitch, in real time, with any mistakes made by the officials simply being part of the game. FIFA's stance, however, is starting to change as it has already approved goal-line technology, is trialling video assistant referees and has not complained about the SFA's simulation rules or the FA's own retrospective punishments for violent conduct. That last point is significant as the four British FAs have permanent seats on the International Football Association Board, the body that decides on fundamental changes to the game's laws, which suggests FIFA may view these local rules as pilots before wider implementation. Simulation, once one of the great taboos of British football, is back on the agenda after Robert Snodgrass dived to earn a penalty for Hull City against Crystal Palace last month. The Scot scored from the spot but later admitted he was not touched by Palace defender Scott Dann, saying he instinctively took evasive action because of his recent injury problems.

The referee made the decision after advice from his assistant. Therefore they were both conned...by Slattery.... into issuing a red card. VAR did not intervene. Wrongly, so I agree questions need to be asked on that score. Had Slattery been found out there and then a yellow would have been sufficient given the St Mirren player would not have been sent off. But because of the actual outcome on the night a red card for Slattery is correct and in line with previous examples......pre VAR mostly I think. Trial by Sportscene springs to mind. At the end of the day, no matter who we like to point fingers at, Slattery cheated. As for the time taken to issue his ban, MFC were told within days that Slattery had been cited and if found at fault would be punished. It's not true to say that only some four weeks later the Authorities decided to act. It should have been resolved much quicker though.

No surprise. Slattery cheated and conned the referee into sending an opponent off. And if roles had been reversed we would having been screaming for justice. There are precedents of players being banned retrospectively for conning referees into issuing red cards or awarding penalties. One I can recall was at Tynecastle and another at Ross County. Of course that was before the introduction of VAR. As far as Slattery is concerned, the frustration is that if VAR had done its job he would have been booked there and then and nobody would have complained. As others have said though, let's see consistency going forward. Sadly we all know that the teams involved will be a deciding factor.

Tough for our full backs to be confident pushing forward when almost every time they ventured up the park Watt passed the ball straight to the opposition deep in our own half. Lost count of the number of times we could have been punished. Neither are automatic first choices all players being fit, but both Sparrow and SOD played their part defensively. Hibs most creative player (the other Cadden) never got a kick and, one shot aside, Boyle hardly featured. Sparrow stopped a certain goal early on as well. So not all bad. Maybe our wide players being more cautious was part of the game plan to counter Hibs only attacking threat. We had an off day but still kept a clean sheet and did not lose ground to any of our closest rivals. If that's as bad as it gets we will be fine. It's just a pity that off day came when we had probably our best home turnout of the season.

Runners up no longer qualify. Used to but not nowadays. So yes, only Celtic winning the cup help us re Europe.

I took a couple of Falkirk fans in before that game. No issues whatsoever. In fact there were a good few in there. Last few games the place has been packed, with queues waiting to get in as folk leave. Probably because the place across the road shut down. So if you go, get there early.

And our wee Club beating Sporting 2-0.

It's all about deflection. Stand by as official fan groups criticise the police but don't acknowledge the behaviour of those same fans inside and outside the ground. Although there is police strategy that needs looked at, their response to the fan statements is spot on regarding the silence from both Clubs. Hiding behind the fact there will be an investigation so not appropriate to comment. Really? No OF condemnation of anything the fans did. Let the spotlight focus elsewhere. Disgracefully the media mostly do their best to aid the deflection. Will we see the BBC doing a full report not only highlighting the on field carry-on but also the damage to the stadium, the storming of the turnstiles, the actions of players and officials as well as both sets of fans, the sale of tickets that ended up in the hands of fans banned from Celtic Park? The PR machine is currently in full mode so don't hold your breath. At the end of the day the Authorities will issue pointless fines and a few culprits will be charged. Away fans at OF games will be banned for a time, which will have no impact on either club financially. Why not play OF games behind closed doors until the end of next season as that would have greater impact? The excuse it was a Cup match will be used to justify no action League points wise. Threats of harsher sanctions for any repeat will be made, possibly even suspended penalties. Celtic will eventually pay for the repairs. But nothing will change.

Both Clubs should be punished for the on field stuff from their fans. Don't think any right thinking person is saying otherwise. There are also a few other on field behaviours by players that need looking at but likely won't be. And meaningless fines don't work. But how about the off field stuff we saw yesterday? By that I mean the sickening graffiti celebrating that fans died attending a match, the storming of turnstiles/exit doors to allow non ticket holders to enter and the destruction of seats. Plenty of evidence highlighting those things. All down to the same set of fans who we know acted in that exact same manner at Fir Park. Their behaviour should be addressed as a separate issue and severe action taken by the football authorities and police. But just as at Fir Park I suspect any action and condemnation will be minimal. Much easier to focus on the pitch invasions, as per the narrative from Club officials and most media outlets. Tom English comments on the BBC excepted. I thought he painted a true picture of what occurred. We may have our own issues from time to time. But thank god we are far removed from the toxic behaviour we see elsewhere.

For me it is about thinking long term. Had that been the criteria under previous Boards then I doubt we would be having this conversation. And although we would have incurred major expenditure at that time (although much more local and government support would likely have been available), we would not have subsequently wasted millions papering over the cracks. And to what effect? We are now structurally in a worse condition than we were way back then. So if we do stay where we are, what exactly can be done to provide that long term sustainability and negate the ongoing draining of funds maintaining a sub standard Fir Park? The restrictions of being in a residential area, limiting options, is something I don't see changing. Would reconstruction costs be less than actually relocating? Could reconstruction provide additional income streams? Someone highlighted that Falkirk lease their main stand from the Local Authority, whilst owning outright the other Stands. The Local Authority having use of parts of the main stand for their own use at times. That feels pretty innovative to me, and a way of reducing initial expenditure as I assume the LA bore the cost of the construction of that main stand? Could Lanarkshire provide similar support, perhaps with an option for the Club to buy further down the line? Could car park income fund help fund that outlay over time? At least we are now looking at how to move forward and no longer burying our heads in the sand. Well done to the Board for seeking solutions.

What I find hilarious is when Goodwin, O’Neill openly say their player was at fault for giving Officials decisions to make. Often acknowledging that there was foul play by their player, but minor. O’Neill seems upset that VAR had the cheek to point out the Trusty thing was more than the referee had seen on first viewing. Strange how the media did not ask a simple yes/no question of either. Was it a foul?

I was pleasantly surprised. I kind of expected a heartless, concrete ground but not so. Still areas for improvement but a better experience than at other comparable new builds. Finance clearly defines what we could achieve but it will be interesting to learn how much a proper refitting of Fir Park would cost in comparison to a new build. Especially if the Local Authority was able to provide the land at no cost to MFC. Folk living in the area will know far better than me whether there is council land lying vacant which could be utilised. MFC are an asset the Authority should be proud of and willing to support. I do understand that many fans have a sentimental outlook where Fir Park and our history is concerned. I respect that view. But that approach by previous Boards has contributed to the situation we now find ourselves in. And to the increased cost of now finding a sustainable solution.

I went to the Falkirk Dundee Utd game and was impressed with what I saw in the main stand. An excellent view, spacious seats, well under cover and catering facilities that put Fir Park to shame. Think a smaller version of the Hampden set up but still with several kiosks and a Club shop. Easily accessible and no lengthy queues blocking off toilet access. Talking of which, numerous toilets, wide corridors and staircases. So no crushing at full time despite a full house. Hospitality on an upper tier but not infringing on us peasants. Stacks of pre bookable car parking for home and away fans. A good income generator I imagine. Did take a wee while to exit the car park though but nowhere near as frustrating as at Perth. Cannot comment on what the away stand offers fans as I was on holiday when we last played there. As a POD season ticket holder, the set up I saw at Falkirk was far superior to the facilities on offer at Fir Park. Both the POD and Hunter Stands need a massive upgrade and whether that is possible given space limitations and likely disruption I have my doubts. If it can be done, fair enough. Let’s see what the study reveals. Where Falkirk do fall down is in having stands on three sides only which does feel weird. Even worse than Accies in my opinion. Why they have no stand on one side I have no idea. But other than that I would happily move to such a Stadium. As you suggest, the quality of any new facility would have to be up to scratch but done correctly it would be fine. A site where neighbouring housing did not impact the construction of the stands would be a huge leap forward.