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I was actually thinking earlier that if we do get relegated some of the more senior players might get more game time next season than potentially they would in the Premiership ( Hammell, Lasley etc ) Sutton will score goals with the right service. Problem is if he doesn't get the service as seen in the Thistle game then he doesn't offer much. I know others think he changed the Killie game, but i'm not entirely sure that was the case. I like Sutton by the way but next season you have to wonder what he will contribute if he's not scoring goals

These 2 posts pretty much sum up my thoughts Great posts

I wish i had wrote that ha ha

Think that's the point though. A lot of sensible posts were made that Thistle was going to be a difficult game & then on the flip side there were posters predicting a 3 goal victory. Don't get me wrong we had 3 very very good results against Hamilton, St Mirren & Kilmarnock but people were definitely getting carried away. 9 victories all season simply means we wont win 5 on the bounce. Can we win the play off??? We certainly can but i'd be dreading a trip to Ibrox based on previous experiences. For me it's a good time for people to debate whether they think we'll stay up or not, there wouldnt be much debate after its all done & dusted

You might not like the better supporter chat but it's definitely creeping into a couple of posts without being directly said. On the valid reasons chat I was going to ask something similar. I think we can win a play off. We won't avoid 11th. Simply because we've won 9 ( I think ) games all season. There was chat in the other thread about winning our next 5. When we've won 9 all season, what basis do you think we can win our next 5????

Ha ha we're all supporters. But a forum is a place where people have views. & if u want to think we can get out of this mess brilliant..... & if others want to think we're going down & give valid reasons for it then it's their opinion..... For what people think the negative stuff is annoying...... The happy clapper stuff/ I'm a better supporter than u chat is equally annoying ( in my opinion )

Spot on The next 5 games for me are all about gaining confidence & momentum & giving it our best shot regardless of who we get in the play off Someone said it before Our seasons all about 1 game now

Think you make some valid points. Although I'm not sure Rangers will be any better next season other than if you think McCall as a manager will make the difference. I honestly don't see why people would fancy Rangers over Hibs. They managed to embarrass us when they were in the 3rd division never mind now Be fucking brilliant if we did beat them tho!!!!

Looking at it sensibly it's a big ask to avoid 11th place & I think we would need to avoid The Rangers to stay up ( not because their any good or dodgy refereeing decisions, but because we've rolled over to many times before to them ) Said this in the other thread but I wouldn't mind a season in the 1st division just for something different Obviously that's on the basis we come straight back up Some of the older posters hate the idea of it having seen it before, for me it might give me more of an appetite for the premiership when we came back. Certainly don't think it would be a disaster

Plus we could always try playing it into his feet once in a while

ha ha Monday mornings are definitely acceptable not to be the best. Think you've summed up why i fancy the Championship, you obviously appreciate the top league much more because you've experienced the lower leagues. While as recently ( apart from this season ) we've maybe been a bit spoiled with our league success. Think a season in the Championship for me ( we'd need to come back after 1 though ) would probably give me a bit more excitement for the Premiership. Although i could just be telling myself it will be alright if we go down ha ha

ha ha you love a Monday morning. I think what you mean is, " in your opinion" it wouldn't be a pleasing experience. To be fair to you at least you didn't go with the normal why don't you go & follow Rangers line. This is probably for another thread but the reality is Rangers will be back at some point, Celtic & Rangers will argue it out every year. We'll start with the same aspirations every single year, top 6 & a cup run & its boring boring boring We finish 2nd in the league & people aren't happy For me like i say it would just be something different ( probably be desperate to get back quickly though ) & i don't think its done Hearts any harm. I'm assuming if we get relegated ul stick with us rather than following someone else

I was actually thinking something similar earlier. I've been going since I was about 7 in 1988 & have seen loads of things happen. Remarkable the amount of clubs perceived to be bigger than us that have been relegated while we've kept our top flight status. I wouldnt actually mind a year in the 1st division just for something different The only issue is whether we could come straight back up

I haven't read all of this thread so this might have been said. For me regardless of who's fault it is we are where we are. Whether that's in the spl or 1st division remains to be seen. More interesting point for me is whether people think based on what they've seen Baraclough is the man to either get us back to the spl next season/ or back into the top 6 if we survive

But previously u said a target man with a nippy striker was the best option For me Erwin & McDonald up top works Sutton as an impact sub works. What we lined up as yesterday simply didn't, that's not hindsight, it was obvious during the game & should have been changed earlier

I definitely take your points. Although I think ur still saying Erwin & Sutton can't work in the same team ha ha I've read this forum for years without contributing. I think this may be one of the 1st threads Iv read where most people are giving a balance view on where they think the team/manager/club are at the moment. Some people think we can win 4 games. Some people think we're destined for the play offs. For me it depends if St Mirren can take anything again Ross county. Either way if the team show heart & desire to scrap for every ball then the fans will get behind them

For me most teams in the spl can beat each other on there day. I certainly thought Partick would be a difficult game. We just offered nothing apart from the Sutton chance. Agree we looked really flat & lethargic for a big big game. That's nothing to do with players freezing in my opinion, more a lack of belief that the set up was right to win the game for me. I think majority of well fans would have been thinking we need to change this within 5 minutes of the 2nd half. On the Straker debate. Yesterday for me he wasn't worse than anyone else. Am sure the fans will get right behind the team in the next game, & the game after that, & the game after that. But they really need to give more than they did yesterday

Im confused at your point ( could be the fact I'm still drunk to be fair ) You make it sound like a lot of Motherwell fans that spent decent money to watch that pish yesterday & pleased that there prophecies have been proved right??? You then go on to say effectively that Erwin is never a left mid as he wouldnt work for Sutton??? Also that the writing was on the wall from free kicks. Seems your prophecies came to fruition as well. For me I don't mind the fact we started with the team we did, but any Motherwell fan there could see it needed changed within 5 minutes of the re-start. Baraclough new that as wee hence why he tried McDonald at left mid. Why not simply take Sutton off ( who I like ), bring Thomas on left mid & get back to Erwin & McDonald up front. Thomas was never going to do anything by the time he come on. The game was already done. He's by no means the saviour, but couldn't have been any worse that the dross on show yesterday I hope we do, but we're never winning 4 on the bounce

I went for null. I don't like it either but no-one justified man of the match or least pish. Long made some decent saves but his kicking was shocking

Pretty much nailed it with this summary

Said this last week after the killie game. The amount of free kicks we give away round about our box is shocking For the 1st goal the free kick McDonald gave away was criminal. Just no need for it. Good player Lyal Taylor from what Iv seen. But we didn't half make it easy for him today. On a side note how pish was there support

Just the matter of the defeat today. Have to agree if Sutton scores it might be a different game. I don't mind getting beat if I feel we've had a go at it. But pumping long ball after long ball & hoping for the best is sickening to watch At one point we had McDonald playing on the left. Clueless

I was going to write the same thing about Motherwell 89's optimism & thought I'd give mysef time to think about it 1st. I don't think many people there today will be expecting us to stay up

Just in. Can't even fathom how last week at killie can be so different from the performance today. The only good thing about the game was the well fans. & fuck knows how because the team gave us nothing. Long balls are just ridiculous, not sure what our forwards are meant to do with ball after ball pumped 40 yards into them. Lack of fight!!!! Lack of service for our front men!!! Embarrassing performance in a must win/not lose game