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shame taken , fuck it, last time I try that. Raith would have fucked us out too 😁

Don't know why anyone is confused its quite simple. i was interested what the draw would have been had we got through and that's what the above shows. I respect some folk wont be the slightest bit interested as it changes nothing but some might.

When you are a one trick pony its very easy for opponents to suss you out. Not much homework required.

Aberdeen 1 Airdrie 2 Ayr Utd 3 Celtic 4 Cove Rangers 5 Dundee 6 Dunfermline 7 Hamilton 8 Hearts 9 Hibs 10 Livingston 11 Motherwell 12 Queens Park 13 Raith Rovers 14 Rangers 15 St Mirren 16 Ah would help if my Alphabet was better. Still away to Celtic but we did Rangers a Favour lol 1 Aberdeen v Dunfermline 7 3 Ayr Utd v Hibs 10 4 Celtic v Motherwell 12 6 Dundee v Airdrie 2 11 Livingston v Cove Rangers 5 13 Queens Park v St Mirren 16 14 Raith Rovers v Hamilton 8 15 Rangers v Hearts 9

Would have been worth a few bob but nothing else.

Would we not have been away to Celtic ?? We would have been number 12 in the Pot. Number 12 came out against Number 4 or am I missing something ? Aberdeen 1 Aberdeen 1 Airdrie 2 Airdrie 2 Ayr Utd 3 Ayr Utd 3 Celtic 4 Celtic 4 Cove Rangers 5 Cove Rangers 5 Dundee 6 Dundee 6 Dunfermline 7 Dunfermline 7 Hamilton 8 Hamilton 8 Hearts 9 Hearts 9 Hibs 10 Hibs 10 Livingston 11 Livingston 11 Raith Rovers 12 Motherwell 12 Rangers 13 Raith Rovers 13 St Johnstone 14 Rangers 14 St Mirren 15 St Mirren 15 Queens Park 16 Queens Park 16

No doubt in my mind we will get beat. We are awful all over the park. We look completely disjointed and haven't a clue how to break down a well drilled organised defence. I'm fed up going away from home and watching the same dross week in week out. I'm fed up spending £35/£40 every away game. I have better things to do with my cash so I finally give in, Ill sit this Saturday out. Frankly if I wasn't a season ticket holder Id sit the next home game out too.,

Ill go out on a limb tonight and bet neither Dundee or Dundee Utd will serve up the eye bleeding shite we do, because neither Goodwin or Docherty would be interested in playing the brutal tactics we employ.

fair dos you did, im still too fucking angry to read clearly.....

Away to RC shite, Away to Dundee shite, Away to St Mirren shite, Away to Celtic shite, Away to Hearts shite, Away to Killie shite, Away tom Hibs shite, Away to St J shite.. at home to Hibs fuckin abysmal.. we've been utter garbage a lot longer than 3 or 4 games.

Correct , Caseys a fuckin bombscare and was utter pish today.

Indeed they do. SK will get slaughtered if he sticks to 5-3-2 boot it long to no one, lose possession rinse and repeat.. The fans will accept a defeat if we go down fighting trying to play football and creating chances. I fear the same kinda pish we've watched more often than we should recently.

Another one for the Physio to work on , the Physio must love SK

Apologies I amended my reply to you. I was looking at Wellgirls reply at the time.

You raise many points which can open up into other discussions but do confirm that we do compete with them and had this mythical gulf been so great we certainly wouldn't have out performed them.. In relation to some people assertion that the financial gulf between us and 4 or 5 other teams is a severe one , I don't agree , its over blown. That's not to say it never will be if the Well society don't realise their plans to increase or income streams and attendances. The staffing costs are the staffing costs and we paid them. You are correct its not straightforward, that's why I said these figures will ebb and flow season to season because clubs will come into funds and have reduced funds depending on the season they have. Before anyone pipes up I know we ran a deficit in 2023, so did St Mirren, so did Kilmarnock. Kilmarnock's even bigger than ours at £1.9 million. As for KVV he cost Kilmarnock £140,000 for 6 months. Why the Kilmarnock Director personally funded it is their business, maybe because they were running a £1.9 million pound loss!! . If Motherwell had had an urgent unexpected bill for £200,000 is anyone seriously saying we couldn't have paid for it. Of course we could, so to suggest we couldn't have raised £140,000 to pay for KVV is nonsense. We made a sound financial decision not to sign him. Any club can make stupid irrational signings if they wish. Had the club desperately wanted him they could have raised the money , would have been a crazy decision but they could do it. Christ the Well Society is sitting on £750,000 the club could have asked them had they been so desperate to get him. Anyway much of the argument - I realise you are not of the opinion we cant compete - but for those who do think that, we are arguing about hairs on a bald mans head. For people to suggest we cant compete with RC , Kilmarnock, St Mirren and St Johnstone because they pay far bigger wages is nonsense, albeit the way Motherwell moan you'd think Albion Rovers could give us a run for our money financially. ALL the clubs discussed are mid ranking teams of a similar size who compete on pretty much a level playing field. Finally going by the logic offered in the argument that we cant compete financially with clubs mentioned, that means Hibs cant compete with Hearts , is anyone seriously suggesting that's the case?

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We could have paid KVV what he was asking for, to suggest we couldn't is nonsense. Kilmarnock paid him £7 grand a week for 20 weeks £140,000, a Kilmarnock Director was willing to pay that from his own money, thankfully we dont have any idiots whod do that...... we spent more than that to bring Stamma in. So its not that we dont have access to money but we wisely chose not to pay KVV that money cos he wasn't worth it . If you think St Mirren and Kilmarnock pay vastly greater wages you are wrong. Last published Accounts online and at companies house to 2023 Motherwells staff costs were £5.2 million St Mirrens staff costs were £3.82 million Kilmarnocks staff costs were £3.71 million St Johnstones staff costs were £3.96 million Going forward this scenario will ebb and flow as I expect with both St Mirren Kilmarnock getting into Europe the bonuses would be better whilst we ended up bottom half but on basic salaries its just not true these clubs pay far more than us.. Although Motherwell do love to whinge how they have the lowest budget ibn the league...

The competing with teams who a pay more is overblown. SureSt Mirren and Killie have bigger crows but jesus christ it's in the hundreds not in the thousands. A decent commercial side, small gains in the transfer market and running slightly smaller squad should able to negate most of that advantage. We have 4 teams that we should be able to compete with financially and that's Killie, St Mirren, Ross County and St Johnstone. To suggest otherwise is over egging it.

I was going to post the same and they did the same against Rangers but knew I'd get the " we played well against Rangers" as the counter argument and that's not really the point. It was the style of play they adopt and they don't just play like thst against the OF they have a recognised style of play that suits them and even when they don't win you can see what they are trying to do. That's my issue with many of our games I have no clue what it is SK is trying to do. So much of it is blooter it long, lose possession rinse and repeat. I could even accept the long ball game if we had a target man who regularly wins the ball and lays it off allowing us to follow up and attack but we don't so why the fuck do we play like that. I remember the Wimbledon team of the 80s they got dogs abuse for playing the long ball game but they were bloody good at it they had big target men who could muscle the opposition of the ball and win the second ball and yes that long ball game could be entertaining. Compare that to the aimless / pointless shite we play. We play a style that we do not have the players who can make it work so why the fuck do we percivere with it. Add to that we have a powder puff midfield, who when they do win the ball are utterly devoid of doing anything with it. Davor runs about like a headless chicken, and Andy Halliday is far too casual by far. So all in all I just don't get what SK is trying to do.

I doubt St J have any windfall from moving to McDiarmid Park, they move there 35 years ago!!! They were gifted the land and a supermarket built their ground. They didn't get a cash windfall that would last 35 years. Geoff Brown invested a ton of money into them. They also won two domestic cups in one season.

I hate watching Motherwell this season. Most of our games are aimless games of hoofball. Wouldn't even be so bad if we won the ball but all it does is give the ball away and keeps us on the back foot. Despite early promising signs this season we still do not have a good defence and our mind numbing style of play will always ensure we concede goals. I'm not expecting us to be world beaters but we have a bigger squad than we've had in years, we have a squad that's as good (or bad) as half the league but I seriously think we play the worst style of football. Sure the happy clappers will say we are 5th but unless we start playing a different formation /style that will very quickly turn to "yeah but we are 6th, yeah but we are 7th, yeah but we are 8th"

If we lose the next two, my time for him has expired. This season will probably see the highest points total in the play off spot because everyone is beating everyone else and they way our form is going it wouldn't surprise me if we are right in that battle in 4 weeks time unless we stop the rot against St J.

The fact that some will be surprised at that is baffling.

Oh there's a few on here who keep telling us we are not playing shite hoofball... Cos look how many point we had this time last season 🤔🤔

And I can't wait for " the points check against same games last season" comparison... the refuge for the indefensible.