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Apologies I amended my reply to you. I was looking at Wellgirls reply at the time.

You raise many points which can open up into other discussions but do confirm that we do compete with them and had this mythical gulf been so great we certainly wouldn't have out performed them.. In relation to some people assertion that the financial gulf between us and 4 or 5 other teams is a severe one , I don't agree , its over blown. That's not to say it never will be if the Well society don't realise their plans to increase or income streams and attendances. The staffing costs are the staffing costs and we paid them. You are correct its not straightforward, that's why I said these figures will ebb and flow season to season because clubs will come into funds and have reduced funds depending on the season they have. Before anyone pipes up I know we ran a deficit in 2023, so did St Mirren, so did Kilmarnock. Kilmarnock's even bigger than ours at £1.9 million. As for KVV he cost Kilmarnock £140,000 for 6 months. Why the Kilmarnock Director personally funded it is their business, maybe because they were running a £1.9 million pound loss!! . If Motherwell had had an urgent unexpected bill for £200,000 is anyone seriously saying we couldn't have paid for it. Of course we could, so to suggest we couldn't have raised £140,000 to pay for KVV is nonsense. We made a sound financial decision not to sign him. Any club can make stupid irrational signings if they wish. Had the club desperately wanted him they could have raised the money , would have been a crazy decision but they could do it. Christ the Well Society is sitting on £750,000 the club could have asked them had they been so desperate to get him. Anyway much of the argument - I realise you are not of the opinion we cant compete - but for those who do think that, we are arguing about hairs on a bald mans head. For people to suggest we cant compete with RC , Kilmarnock, St Mirren and St Johnstone because they pay far bigger wages is nonsense, albeit the way Motherwell moan you'd think Albion Rovers could give us a run for our money financially. ALL the clubs discussed are mid ranking teams of a similar size who compete on pretty much a level playing field. Finally going by the logic offered in the argument that we cant compete financially with clubs mentioned, that means Hibs cant compete with Hearts , is anyone seriously suggesting that's the case?

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We could have paid KVV what he was asking for, to suggest we couldn't is nonsense. Kilmarnock paid him £7 grand a week for 20 weeks £140,000, a Kilmarnock Director was willing to pay that from his own money, thankfully we dont have any idiots whod do that...... we spent more than that to bring Stamma in. So its not that we dont have access to money but we wisely chose not to pay KVV that money cos he wasn't worth it . If you think St Mirren and Kilmarnock pay vastly greater wages you are wrong. Last published Accounts online and at companies house to 2023 Motherwells staff costs were £5.2 million St Mirrens staff costs were £3.82 million Kilmarnocks staff costs were £3.71 million St Johnstones staff costs were £3.96 million Going forward this scenario will ebb and flow as I expect with both St Mirren Kilmarnock getting into Europe the bonuses would be better whilst we ended up bottom half but on basic salaries its just not true these clubs pay far more than us.. Although Motherwell do love to whinge how they have the lowest budget ibn the league...

The competing with teams who a pay more is overblown. SureSt Mirren and Killie have bigger crows but jesus christ it's in the hundreds not in the thousands. A decent commercial side, small gains in the transfer market and running slightly smaller squad should able to negate most of that advantage. We have 4 teams that we should be able to compete with financially and that's Killie, St Mirren, Ross County and St Johnstone. To suggest otherwise is over egging it.

I was going to post the same and they did the same against Rangers but knew I'd get the " we played well against Rangers" as the counter argument and that's not really the point. It was the style of play they adopt and they don't just play like thst against the OF they have a recognised style of play that suits them and even when they don't win you can see what they are trying to do. That's my issue with many of our games I have no clue what it is SK is trying to do. So much of it is blooter it long, lose possession rinse and repeat. I could even accept the long ball game if we had a target man who regularly wins the ball and lays it off allowing us to follow up and attack but we don't so why the fuck do we play like that. I remember the Wimbledon team of the 80s they got dogs abuse for playing the long ball game but they were bloody good at it they had big target men who could muscle the opposition of the ball and win the second ball and yes that long ball game could be entertaining. Compare that to the aimless / pointless shite we play. We play a style that we do not have the players who can make it work so why the fuck do we percivere with it. Add to that we have a powder puff midfield, who when they do win the ball are utterly devoid of doing anything with it. Davor runs about like a headless chicken, and Andy Halliday is far too casual by far. So all in all I just don't get what SK is trying to do.

I doubt St J have any windfall from moving to McDiarmid Park, they move there 35 years ago!!! They were gifted the land and a supermarket built their ground. They didn't get a cash windfall that would last 35 years. Geoff Brown invested a ton of money into them. They also won two domestic cups in one season.

I hate watching Motherwell this season. Most of our games are aimless games of hoofball. Wouldn't even be so bad if we won the ball but all it does is give the ball away and keeps us on the back foot. Despite early promising signs this season we still do not have a good defence and our mind numbing style of play will always ensure we concede goals. I'm not expecting us to be world beaters but we have a bigger squad than we've had in years, we have a squad that's as good (or bad) as half the league but I seriously think we play the worst style of football. Sure the happy clappers will say we are 5th but unless we start playing a different formation /style that will very quickly turn to "yeah but we are 6th, yeah but we are 7th, yeah but we are 8th"

If we lose the next two, my time for him has expired. This season will probably see the highest points total in the play off spot because everyone is beating everyone else and they way our form is going it wouldn't surprise me if we are right in that battle in 4 weeks time unless we stop the rot against St J.

The fact that some will be surprised at that is baffling.

Oh there's a few on here who keep telling us we are not playing shite hoofball... Cos look how many point we had this time last season 🤔🤔

And I can't wait for " the points check against same games last season" comparison... the refuge for the indefensible.

Correct a Billy big bawz

Correct we need an out that will give the team a breather, fucking it high and long and never winning the second ball is utterly pointless and if Davor is in the midfield I don't think Ill watch it, an utter waste of space..

I'm not sure we are running on empty I think we just employ piss poor tactics more often than Id like but if we are running on empty why? our schedule is no harder than anyone else.

Sadly I expect the same. We play like that too often for it not to be deliberate.

and they pumped us because our keeper had a fuckin nightmare and we employed the same dreadful tactics we have against RC, St Mirren, Hearts and Kilmarnock

You never know we might fluke it like we did at Kilmarnock but one sure way to make mauling likely is give Hibs endless free possession and invite them on to us by booting it high and long to no cunt. Frankly we play that kind of game too often for me to think we will play any differently at Easter Road.

100% correct, to listen to some on here you'd think we were asking Motherwell to play like a top European team. How the fuck folk can sit and watch the ball being booted long and high for 90 mins and losing possession 99 times out a hundred and think that's trying to play footbal is beyond me.

I didn't say every week I said more often than not and over the last 10 games played reasonably well in 3 games the rest have resembled basketball rather than football.

Is expecting a team of professional footballers to try and play football really comparing our game to EPL. I frankly am comparing to what I watch in the Spfl. Dundee v Rangers game for instance. Dundee don't have a squad any better than ours and they rarely hoofed the ball. They got it down and tried to play it on the pitch.

Possession doesn't really worry me, its how we use it when we have it that matters. Hoof ball is just utterly pointless especially when we never win the second ball.

This season its dross more often than not. Awful against Ross County , Awful against Hibs, Awful against Dundee, Awful against St Mirren , Awful against Celtic ... all recent games. Aberdeen game we played for 15 mins and couldnt do bugger all against 10 men. I've followed Motherwell home and away every week for 50 years. Have been a season ticket holder for 50 years. I'm well aware of what being a Motherwell fan is and what to expect. I'm not expecting world beating football but Im expecting us to try and play football. Booting the ball high and long all day is not trying to platy football and we play that style far to often this season.

doesnt explain why EVERY ball is sent skywards

Pretty much the same as he says after each shite performance. He says they can play better than that so why do they not try. These hoof ball aimless punt performances are far too frequent for it not to be deliberate and if its not deliberate why cant he stop them playing like that