Yorkyred

This of course is the reality of the situation. Talk of sacking someone who has just been given the summer before a ball has even been kicked in a league game is crazy, he’s going to get at least a dozen games. The cup games always see shock results and Sligo are way ahead of us when looking at actual player match fitness, very obvious on the night. Even then we missed a stack of good chances which would have seen a totally different result and less of the total over reactions on here. I wonder at times if some posters are just on a wind up when they talk of us been doomed/ relegation certainties given it’s repeated every season and we often end up top half. I always hope for top half but have no idea at this point where we will finish. If the form continues he should of course be replaced, he’s had plenty of time now so no excuses but it needs to be remembered he picked up more points as manager in a 12 month period than any other team outside the old firm at one point, that was not down to being lucky. I’m personally not a huge fan of his football or post match analysis but he’s not the worst manager I’ve seen at Motherwell, the home games with McGee in charge were absolute cluster f@@ks.

A massive factor was match fitness, play that half a dozen competitive games later and you get a totally different result.

If you are going to do that you do it at the end of last season giving the new guy the opportunity to bring in his own players. If the board were happy with him when the season finished why would they want to sack him one game later ?

So the board give him the summer then sack him before we have even played a single league game ?

Again this line has been punted out for at least the last 6 years running under various managers and it’s not happened yet. Relegation certainty turned into top 6 finishes on more than one occasion. It’s one game in and not 20, you would think reading many of the posts we were already as good as doomed. Yes it was a dreadful night and people can point to last season ( something that has also been done before) but we’ve not yet even played a league game.

Well we will see if we’re doomed as some are already predicting and do early on every season. It’s never happened yet and I would not be surprised if we do ok again. I seem to say this every season and as with the always wise Ya Bezzer ( a poster some could learn a lot from) the bigger picture is not individual managers but the standard of Scottish football in general with no better example than the whole of last season with just about every team of the same low standard. I fully expect another season of poor football from not just Motherwell but many of the others on a similar level to us. If you honestly think it will get significantly better by changing manager again you are likely to be extremely disappointed.

Very poor result and performance, has the world ended, not at this point.

Is there actually an “Alexander fan club” ? I think there were a percentage of supporters who had an affection towards Robinson, shown even when he left. I’ve not seen any of that towards Alexander, he’s be forgotten pretty quickly if he left in my view.

He’s a Motherwell player, he must be awful.

Gambling especially among young people has never been more of a problem, it’s leading to people taking their own lives, even a decent percentage of school kids are addicted yet I can go on Twitter and still see individuals posting tweets linking to their own sites claiming guaranteed success. I’ve worked alongside three people with gambling addictions and it’s ruined all their lives.

Pretty much everyone that were not seen as good enough but now seem to be a loss.

I guess what I’m saying without putting them down is they were not great options. I can’t remember Roberts or OHara doing anything of note last season. The three additions could strengthen the squad, we just don’t know yet.

I honestly can’t see how losing the above players has made us weaker. Of the three only Woolery was rated by anyone and he was far from a first choice player. Roberts and OHara a loss ? Sorry not for me. We’ve also added three players, two of which are proven at this level with another striker added, the three of them have not even kicked a ball in competitive anger yet. Van Veen is still here at this point. On top of that the younger players breaking into the first will hopefully gain more experience and those that joined last season will be looking to kick on with a couple who struggled through injury hopefully fitter. It’s way, way too early in my view to suggest we are weaker given that at this point we have not lost a single player of influence since Watt and those joining us have not been given a chance.

What’s the reasoning for suggesting we are weaker than we were at the end of last season ?

That’s what you take.

You really are a man incapable of having a positive bone in your body. Living with you must be a truly miserable experience.

We’re doomed

I’m still surprised that folks don’t realise this is the norm, we have not signed a single high profile player under 4 different managers while I’ve been supporting the club, I don’t see how that’s going to change. It was interesting reading the feedback on the St Mirren Forum after their game with Northampton after the 3-1 defeat. Someone eventually pointed out that This league two team actually had an average attendance last season a thousand higher than them. I was at one of the Nation league north play offs last season, level 6. There were 7500 there and they could have sold nearer 12000. High profile players cost big money.

I actually think KcInness will keep them up because he has that proven track record. Aberdeen should never have got rid of him, fan power is not always right.

Surely that’s down to the opinion of the new manager, does that make the other managers wrong ? Every manger has different ideas on what he wants from a player. Frankly I don’t care either way because it’s down to how he plays for us, that’s all that matters.

You know I’m always interested in what other posters think, even if I don’t always agree. I’ve not been a supporter of this club for that many years and maybe Yoda as a long standing supporter does have a better take on things than me, if he has I would just love to know what it is. The one liners don’t really explain anything, it’s easy to just state everyone is doing a poor job without offering anything as a counter argument. End of the day a big factor is always going to be money, do we run on a sustainable level which is never going to be easy with the big city clubs in the division, or do we run a bigger budget and start building up debt ? The attendances don’t seem to change that much regardless of what we do so no massive gain from finishing four or five places higher in that regard. I would not want to be the one making these decisions, you can’t win whatever you do with some supporters.

So given that we should be signing players of the same level, or better than Hibs would deem as good enough for them right ? To do that we would need to be offering the same wages or better right? How do we do that ? I would rather you did not just keep everything to two throw away lines and actually came up with a detailed explanation of your thought processes. You want a team of better quality players, how do we fund that ? Do we start building up debt again ? Do we look at a smaller squad ? Do we cut back in other areas such as youth and put that money into the first team budget ? What other ideas do you have ? It’s easy to just keep throwing insults around every time someone questions your posts, I could do the same but it achieves nothing. I’m actually genuinely interested in your thoughts.

I’m still trying to work out how we sign anyone you think is good enough Yodo. You don’t want players from the English lower league’s, none league, the Scottish Championship, or established Premiership players. Are you looking for us to sign the better players from a Rangers, Hearts, Celtic ?. The top players from the English Championship or even English Premier league ? I’m guessing the likes of Hibs have a playing budget three times ours, do you think we should be paying wages comparable to their’s and Hearts in order to compete for the same players ? We all want the club to be signing the best players possible but they do not come cheap. It’s easy to just keep saying “players that are an improvement on what we have” but it’s not that simple without spending more money. How much debt would you be comfortable with ?

I took it as humour.

How often have people called for us to sign established Premiership players rather than none league guys from down south. ? Well regardless of his position this is exactly the type of signing many want. Good luck to him.