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Having just dropped into the relegation zone with only 2 games to go, Plymouth had better be hoping for that post manager bounce. It was only this time last year that Adams was being hailed the messiah for taking them to a baw hair from the playoffs.

They did appeal it but it was rejected like pretty much every other appeal that goes to the FA regulatory commission. One game ban

Without doing a stat check, I think Stevie Kirk was the only midfielder who springs to mind to have scored more than 10 and he wasn’t really a CM. The boy is phenomenal!!!

Fair do’s and my bad. Yeh, it might just come back and bite the boy on the bum. Maybe he does want to stay, 10 years is a long time and ‘Well is all he knows but the allure of big money and a bigger club is overwhelming. Fingers crossed he sees the mutual value in the deal offered by the club as 13 games does not make a star.

No media training? It was his use of media that has propelled Burrows to the hierarchy of the club in the first instance. In fact, I consider his ability to be media savvy whilst not sounding too corporate to be refreshing. I would wager that the clubs policy on youth development signings is not dissimilar to the majority of grow your own clubs like us. We all now know the policy on contract offers for youth and his examples of past errors were bang on the money. To use Rangers or indeed Celtic as a benchmark of fan acceptance isn’t a credible one. They both have somewhat distorted views on the world. As a barometer, I have a season ticket for Charlton who have an almost identical policy to Motherwell in terms of youth development. Manager Lee Bowyer has been saying almost exactly the same thing about home grown and out of contract midfielder Jo Aribo and the fans love him for his candour and in this instance the way he (as Burrows has done) exposed the agent and put a public arm around the player. https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/sport/17534332.charltons-bowyer-sets-record-straight-on-aribo-arsenal-talks/

Joe Jordan fae Cleland who pioneered the 2 missing front teeth look on a world stage and Frank McGarvey who.....probably would’ve looked better if he was missing 2 front teeth.

I have wondered about this in this past. There are clearly licensing laws otherwise full detail retro shirts would be readily available. There must be some kind of loophole though. One of my boys summer holiday highlights during our annual trip to Turkey is getting all of the up to date shirts of all the top teams. The shirts are of a good standard and available in most clothing stores in full display of the authorities.

I can see why he’s being inundated, the quality of product is better than much of the competition. I haven’t seen the 78 shirt on their website. Do you have a link?

Hey UBH, did you get any joy with Aztec on the white Umbro shirt? Also, if you’re still in contact with them, any chance you can chat them up for the ‘82 (home and away) and ‘86 Scotland shirts?

Without getting into the length of contract debate again, it is still heartening that we now have a number of young exciting players coming through and being given opportunity to prove themselves. The frustration around the lack of youth development has been a recurring theme on here for some time. Hopefully the rather meaningless end to the season will give increased opportunity for those knocking at the door

Then what were you doing? There were 2 ways you could’ve commented on your quick stay check. I would’ve chosen to take heart from the blokes game count. You interpreted a negative and conveyed it in your usual passive aggressive manner but this time with a hilarious attempt at humour. so what was the point you were making? Or were just cracking an unfunny?

Yep, let’s decide that he’s pish before he even pulls on the photoshoot jersey.

Well, I reckon the club should’ve known how good he was when they signed him. Why didn’t they see it !!??!! They should’ve offered a 3 year deal and a loyalty card at tinto tapas ...... how could they have got this so wrong !!??!! I think he would’ve definitely signed for longer in the summer on the offer of the loyalty card.

It’s been a strange one at Scunthorpe this year. They’ve gotten used to finishing in the playoffs year on year and oddly sacked their manager at the end of August. They’d lost 4 or 5 key players to the championship leaving McCall with very little opportunity to make any signings of his own and a small squad at the end of the window. He signed a lot of players in January with a big claim that they’d push on to challenge for the playoffs. None of them have really made a difference and inconsistency has pulled McCall into the tightest relegation dogfight in years. Going into the weekend, Scunthorpe were amongst 13 teams who could be in a relegation spot come 5pm. McCall lost a must win against Rochdale yesterday whilst key rivals won leaving Scunthorpe only 2 points away from relegation. It’s hardly a surprise he’s been sacked but I think it was the wrong gig in the first instance.

That’s the game ! I remember leaving fir park that night thinking for the first and probably last time in my life that we just might be in with a shout of winning the league. This final table shows just how close we were. IIRC, we were in the running right up to the penultimate fixture and then St Johnstone beat us 2-1 at fir park on the last day of the season to drop us to 3rd.

Agree that Turnbull is a worthy shout for both. Disagree that anyone who thinks otherwise for POTY is being absurd or deserving of or inviting derision or mockery.

If I recall correctly, the 94-96 kit launched early and they wore it unannounced for the first time in a season 93/94 crunch title race match at home against the h*n. Can anyone verify? It was the first time I’d seen a hoop on the socks. Some great players wore that kit !!!

One for the youngsters

Am I the only one to see the irony in this youth debate ? It wasn’t all that long ago that the manager was being criticised on this thread for not putting the youngsters into the first XI

Yep, literally wore that shirt til it fell apart. I liked all the pony kits

I get the point that if there is a trend of players not signing or signing late then there is cause for concern. On that point then (one for the statos or those who know more than me), in recent years.... What reserve/youth players have the club failed to sign or have left it late to sign up? What reserve/youth players did the club sign up early? Where are they now? Not a loaded question. Just needing some clarity on my part.

Good post Denny and the best I’ve read from that side of the argument. I expect that I am one of those you refer to and in many ways, you’ve encapsulated some of my thinking. You highlight McKinstrey and Miller as examples of kids whose heads have been turned and rightly indicate that situations like that are not unusual. And this is the difficulty for me when trying to lay blame for the clubs perceived failure in safeguarding our investment in young talent. If the evidence is there (which we as fans are seldom likely to see) to show that the club failed to recognise and address the loss then I’d join the attack. But at the moment, there are still insufficient evidence to convince me that the club were negligent. Think about it. If any one of us were in these boys positions, had confidence in our abilities and were full of ambition and saw team mates lured by bigger clubs and offers, how many of you would accept your first offer of contract and close down your options? I for one would work my socks off to encourage a bidding war. Many have criticised Newell and Gordon getting new contracts. Perhaps the club did offer (similar to described for Hibs) all of their identified talent the new contracts and they (both having been at bigger clubs and know the colour of grass there) are the only ones to have signed them?

The power of hindsight. We can always say we knew something when in reality we knew very little. Running a football club is not my industry and am reluctant to express a view on the clubs negligence and or malpractice without knowledge of that industry or the happenings in one particular workplace within that industry. Talking of knowing very little, does anyone on here actually know if the 3 were offered an uplift and extension of contract last year? Does anyone know that they weren’t? I think there’s 2 phrases that sum up this debate, “You don’t know what you don’t know” and “opinions are like areseholes...”

Here’s a question for you all..... What is your favourite Well shirt/kit of all time and why?

New shirt arrived today.....absolutely fookin LOVE IT !!!!