Lan_Lad

That's pretty much the way I see it. The OF are in a league of their own and since they can only take 2 of the 4 Euro spots we in effect want them to turn over our competition for those spots. Celtic beating the sheep is a result for us since they and probably Killie are going to be the competition for those 2 spots. Outside the top 2 everybody else is operating in much the same market so they're all beatable. The sheep and the likes of Hearts etc may have something of a financial advantage but it's nothing like the vast chasm between the OF and the rest. They too are shopping in that same freebie store we are and that gets you a rough equivalence across the board. I can't recall the OF ever being so far ahead of everybody else but neither can I recall everybody else being so relatively closely matched.

Show me and everyone else where I said that? You wont because I didn't say it. YOU simply made that up which is bizarre since I and everyone else can clearly see that. On occasion it will happen as Livingston recently demonstrated but the majority of the time like today it wont happen which is exactly why they dominate the league. Getting that logic? Exactly why they will both finish a minimum 20+ points ahead of third place. Getting that logic?. Show me where any teams in Scotland are constantly beating them. As far as I can see Rangers in particular are being beaten by no one but Celtic. By your logic other teams should be winning the league but never do because they're apparently all shiting it which by coincidence happens all over European football. The money teams keep winning because everyone else is shiting it. Dazzling footballing logic. Get it out there and be a world famous footballing genius.

Yes it's all total pish isn't. The only reason no one but them or their other half have won the league in more than 3 decades is simply because everybody else is shiting it. Forget budgets, means absolutely nothing in Scotland apparently but strangely is the key deciding factor everywhere else in the world. You need to get your superior footballing knowledge out there. I want to see a team operating on freebies winning the Champions League.

Yes indeed. You're getting the picture now and you didn't even know you were doing it. Comparing a team with £20 million rated Alfredo Morelos to bring in off the bench with Motherwell who have freebie Chris Long. That's realism.

Money isn't such a big factor for the rest of the league outside those two. Do you realise that outside those two everybody else is predominately operating in a freebie market? Know what that gets you? In general league one or two freebies at best and this is why the rest of the league outside the OF aren't all that far apart and can regularly take points from each other. Celtic spent £15 million in the window Rangers £13.5 million while outside those two only two other teams in the league spent anything at all and they spent 480K between them. Any one of the two can spend more in a single window than the rest of the league combined will in decades. And that makes a massive difference.

This is the reality and it's exactly why the OF hammer teams in Scotland while being thrashed 7-0 by the likes of Barcelona in Europe. Nothing to do with Barcelona's budget? Celtic have the wrong attitude? Brendan Rogers forgot to tell his side all you need to is get in their faces? At the start of this game they had tens of millions worth of talent sitting on the bench far less on the pitch. Coming away from there with a narrow loss is an achievement given the hidings they have been dishing out at home. And as you say, we're not in competition with them. Only Celtic are.

I'm in Oklahoma. With the clocks going back in UK the game will be an hour later than usual.

Presumably if I were the manager I too would try to approach it in a different manner but i'm not i'm just a fan being realistic and preparing for likely disappointment. Then if the disappointment does't materialise it's even more of a buzz. All i'm doing is agreeing with you and conceding that the odds are stacked against us in this one. I doubt there will be any need to try very hard 'get in their faces'. They're going to be coming at us like a tsunami from the outset so in their faces we are going to be no matter what we do. And what exactly is it you suggest? Go at them? That involves throwing bodies forward leaving large gaps for them to get into which is maybe not a good idea against a side who have scored 10 goals in their last 2 home league games. Even Celtic sat off them at Ibrox and in fact everybody does. There is a valid reason everybody tries to shore up against them hoping for something on the break or a set piece.

Putting aside the somewhat vacuous nature of your comment let's actually discuss my comment. Do you disagree with it?

Think there has to be some realism and accept the fact that while not impossible taking anything from this is highly unlikely. Which is no reflection on the team but simply acknowledging that the OF are currently as far ahead of the rest of the league as they have ever been. Each will likely finish the season a minimum 20+ points ahead of third place.

At the end of the day the club has to come first and if £3 million really is a possibility that could be enough to finance a squad overhaul which might see a push into the top 6 along with extended cup runs. A prime factor is to avoid relegation and I believe that could be achieved even with no Turnbull and even if the squad were not massively overhauled. But as already mentioned a sum of money like that could be the catalyst to move higher up the league and be in the latter stages of cups.

I feel this may be from a financial point of view the optimal time to let him go. It ups the selling price while he still has two years to run on his contract. But hold on to him for another season and we may potentially see a scenario unfold where an agent interested in nothing but money convinces him to simply wait out that final year while signing a pre contract in the January window. He could then potentially go in that January window for a fraction of what he may fetch now since the club would have to take whatever was on offer or see him go for nothing just months later. Dundee and Glen Kamara a classic example of that.