MJC

I didn’t realise this thread was for generating laughs. Although I did have my tongue slightly in my cheek when I talked about Fir Park having it’s almost annual weather related postponement at some point over the winter. For all FP has had its issues over the years I don’t think it’s ever had a sink hole, yet anyway. Granted I’m no Billy Connolly but I would have thought that most people would have realised that I was being slightly ‘satirical’ about Fir Park when I said that.

Even by your crass, snidey, pedantic standards that’s piss poor. I notice you missed out the first sentence of that quote, about it being better to postpone it now than wait til tomorrow when people have started travelling. But anything to be awkward and argumentative eh?

Better to postpone now than wait until tomorrow when fans have started travelling I suppose. That will be another midweek game to be fitted in somewhere and no doubt we’ll get the usual Fir Park flood/structural damage/fire/lightning strike/power cut/sink hole postponement at some point over the next few months so hopefully we don’t end up with a backlog at some point.

Biereth is almost reaching David Ferrere levels of greatness the longer he’s been out. Obviously the circumstances are different but there are also similarities too. Like Ferrere he comes on as a sub in a second half against Hibs in a match we don’t look like scoring in. His contribution is different but also like Ferrere he turns the game around for us and we win. Cue Motherwell fans (me included) thinking we have a new hero, a new goalscorer on our hands….As we know Ferrere did nothing else in his short time with us and now it remains to be seen if Mika Biereth will/can do any more when he finally returns from injury. Only time will tell but pinning our hopes on an injured loanee who hasn’t played 45 minutes of football for us coming back fully fit and being the answer to our problems is optimistic, to say the least.

We're coming off a run of four defeats in a row. We could do with turning that around. I don't see anything unreasonable in saying that. As for the R word. At this time - October with the majority of the season to go - I am not nailing my colours to the mast and saying that I think we will be relegated. However if we don't start scoring goals and keeping clean sheets then it's a distinct possibility that we will be relegated, or at least be involved in the dogfight at the bottom.

Disagree. We badly need points on the board.

According to the BBC forecast the worst of the weather is meant to be on Friday so might be okay. Assuming the game goes ahead it’s hard to see anything other than another blank and another defeat. 1-0 home win.

And we have scored only seven goals all season and can’t keep clean sheets. Unless we start doing both then we will absolutely be in danger of relegation this season. Fortunately it’s still early days yet and we have players to come back from injury but losing becomes a hard habit to shake off.

Bair just won’t do. Certainly not in our current system and with our current options. I can’t fault his effort but he just isn’t up to it if we are expecting him to lead the line and/or get us goals. Wilkinson and Shaw should be starting up front together in Perth. I’m not saying that they are the answer or that they are good enough, but they should be given the chance. Bair has had plenty and unfortunately he’s only shown that he’s simply not up to it.

“If”. That’s a big word and unfortunately for us is a very big word. We have lost our last four games because we have nothing in the way of goal scoring threat and we are giving away cheap goals. We are in trouble.

Are you able to offer any words of encouragement that can persuade me that I’m wrong to think this?

That’s the big issues. We can’t score goals and we can’t keep clean sheets either. That is a recipe for relegation I’m afraid.

Relegation is a distinct possibility this season.

Definitely. He’s done a good job so far but this is going to be four losses in a row and thanks to his dreadful forward recruitment in the summer (and yes, I know Biereths injury can’t be blamed on him) we just cannot score goals. In this league we know that margins are tight and being able to pick up points is crucial and our lack of goal scoring options is costing us big time in that dept.

1-0 Livi Game over.

It’s the same script that’s getting people frustrated. We have nothing, absolutely nothing in the way of creativity and goal threat. We don’t look like scoring. We are on the back of three straight losses and are now down to ten men and we’ll be doing well to get anything here. Negative vibes are completely understandable.

Hammer blow losing Miller. Didn’t look like too much contact but they just eased through our midfield there. Another loss incoming here.

It’s the lack of proper forward options and the poor summer transfer dealings in that regard coming home to roost. We did well picking up wins against Killie and Hearts with defenders and midfielders chipping in with goals at crucial times but we were never going to be able to rely on those types of players to get us goals and points all season.

Toothless as usual. 0-0 is the best result we can hope for today.

Game could be a lottery then if the weather is as bad it’s meant to be. Whatever happens we must not lose tomorrow.

Not a fixation on competing with the Old Firm, just a fixation with how we’re viewed by and in relation to the Old Firm.

There’s no doubting the playoff was a massive couple of results. The biggest in the last fifteen years arguably. However that was a one off (albeit over two legs) and it was against a Rangers side that was Rangers in name only. They were a side who couldn’t finish 2nd in the Championship and managed Stuart ‘bottle merchant’ McCall. Our overall record against them, indeed our league record is absolutely shameful in the last twenty years.

Okay well if we’re talking 8 years, since we last beat Celtic in 2015, Kilmarnock have beaten them three times and St.Mirren have beaten them twice. Since we last beat Rangers in 2017 Killie have beaten them five times. I couldn’t even tell you how many times they have managed to beat them in the league since we last managed it over two decades ago now.

Totally agree and that’s why I have said on more than one occasion now that I don’t see us beating either of them ever again. We’re either getting pumped 4-0 or more with a gutless performance from us or we’re unable to take advantage when they aren’t at their best. If that was Killie or St.Mirren who had played out of sorts Celtic on Saturday then the worst they would have got was a draw. We though are never able to get that big result.* *And before any of the ‘Fathers of the support’ pipe up with “aye but we have beaten Celtic before, with Jamie Dolan in goal” or “we went to Ibrox and ruined their title party” I’m talking about in recent times, not nigh on thirty years ago.

Yes there was a huge amount of satisfaction to take from Celtic losing last night especially with the last kick of the ball after they did the same to us at the weekend there. It was all the better seeing Brendan’s oily downtrodden face at the end and hearing that lickspittle Liam McLeod on Radio Scotland gutted. He loves going on about “Celtic time” well this time that backfired on them.