MJC

He’s gutted. GUTTED!

This makes todays point even better.

Our first point against Celtic since 2018 too. Finally we end that losing run.

Them and old Keevins over on Clyde. Get it right up them and Tom Boyd and the regulars in the Railway Tavern. Great result. But we’re not safe yet.

If this is still level at 90 minutes there will be about 10 minutes stoppage time.

Kelly took a fair knock to be fair, hence why they had Oxborough getting prepared.

Choke on that one Boyd ya walloper.

Indeed and it is absolutely delusional to suggest that just now. People need to get wise to this. We are not safe until we are safe and cannot finish 11th or even 12th. Spray paint the words “We are not safe yet” on the ceiling of your bedrooms and shout those words out every single night until the point where we can say with absolute certainty that we cannot be relegated this season if you have to, but at this moment in time we are NOT safe.

If and when we are officially, 100%, signed sealed and delivered safe then I’ll give everyone peace with it. Until then I’ll remain concerned about it.

We should be fine. But until we are then it is absolute nonsense to say that we are safe.

Yeah the last couple of weeks have been frustrating. Had Utd not scored the last minute winner against Hibs… Had we turned up against Utd at home last week and not threw away a 1-0 lead… If Utd and Killie didn’t both win today while we lose at Parkhead… It just has that feel of everything going against us just now and we could easily be sucked into trouble. We desperately need the post split fixtures to throw up some kind and winnable fixtures in the first couple of games so we can put this to bed asap.

Right, so it’s still mathematically possible for us to finish 11th then? Therefore we are not safe yet.

That’s true but we could really do without Utd, Killie and St.J all winning today. If those results stay the same then this should serve as a massive wake up call to anyone who thinks we are safe. It’s still in our hands, yes, but there is work to be done yet.

No we’re not. St.Johnstone now winning too. And 1-0 Celtic which means one thing = game over.

Dundee Utd and Kilmarnock both winning. Talk of us being already safe is wild.

For the entire week leading up to that game all we were being told about was how Celtic were coming to Fir Park to win the league. How their fans had bought tickets for the home ends in their thousands and there was nothing we could do about it except sit, watch then slink away to leave them to celebrate winning the league at OUR home ground. That their obnoxious, sanctimonious, smug, arrogant followers were going to party in our stands as they cheered Martin O’Neill, Chris Sutton, Neil Lennon etc parading the league trophy around FP. So to stop them doing all of that, to rip it out their grasp and hand it to their bitter rivals with minutes to go and get the satisfaction and the glory of seeing them all deflated, broken and in tears was absolutely epic. Each to their own, absolutely, but to me only winning a trophy would top the feeling I got that day. We’ve had bigger and more important results over the years since that day, but 22/05/05 was just so, so deliciously sweet.

And as if there aren't already enough reasons to dislike Celtic, there's also Tom Boyd. The last Motherwell FC captain to lift silverware or not the man is an absolute wank.

Some proper “west of Scotland Celtic influenced” retort right there. Disliking Celtic more than Rangers does not equate to supporting or even liking Rangers.

One of my all time favourites that day. The way it happened just couldn’t have been better, couldn’t have been any sweeter and couldn’t have been anymore gut-wrenching for them. Even almost twenty years later they still haven’t got over that day and they never will and that is brilliant. Along with sickening their arrogant, self righteous hoardes in every stand at Fir Park that day and the ones crammed into pubs or in front of their TVs, that Celtic team was full of horrible, dislikable characters like Chris Sutton, Neil Lennon, Jackie McNamara and Alan Thompson and managed by that slimy, poisonous shit stirrer Martin O’Neill. So to ram it right up all of them in the manner we did was absolutely fucking delightful. And let me be clear on this, it wouldn’t have been anywhere near as enjoyable and satisfying, for me at least, had it been Rangers that we had beaten to deny them the title. I’ll always be grateful to Rangers for winning their game that day otherwise Celtic would still have won the league at our ground.

That's just silly talk. As I said last night there is no 'campaign' or anything against the manager. There have been criticisms and concerns voiced following a disappointing performance and result at the weekend there but no one has turned on Stuart Kettlewell, either on here or actually at the game on Saturday. And I don't think there will be any of the "how can other sides beat them" chat when we lose to Celtic this Saturday. As you yourself said on the other thread, Celtic are relentless and haven't dropped a single point at home for almost a year. Even Rangers haven't been able to fare any better at Parkhead this season, despite them being best placed to do so given their budget advantage over the other sides in the league.

The Old Firm leaving Scottish football wouldn’t benefit anyone except the Old Firm and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves. If you think there’s a lot of glory hunters following them now then that would only increase if they were playing in the EPL or something like that. You’d start getting young Motherwell fans proudly declaring that Celtic are their ‘English’ team and wearing Celtic tops more than Motherwell tops.

There aren’t any ‘rumblings’ about Kettlewell after one poor result at all. One poster (myself) as far as I can see has given a view based on a hypothetical/if/maybe scenario. I think it is unlikely that we will be relegated from this position, even if it’s not impossible as some are suggesting. If or indeed when we are mathematically safe then Stuart Kettlewell has done his job for this season and will deserve credit for turning things around from the dire situation we were facing just a couple of months ago. As has been said before, the difference in effort and workrate in certain players since Hammell left and Kettlewell took over has been night and day.

Games against Celtic at fir park have always had a much more intimidating and hostile atmosphere than games against Rangers imo. I’ve seen more incidents between both sets of fans in and around the ground at Celtic games than any other club. As well as the faux-victim mentality and contempt for anyone who doesn’t dance to their tune, the bile they regularly spout about Davie Cooper and how we are ‘Rangers without the bus fare’ they are just a horrible lot. They are obviously a lot worse when they lose but even when they win they are obnoxious arseholes. The only time I’ve ever felt anything like that at a game against Rangers was the playoff 2nd leg. Their support tend to have a kind of self inflated aloofness and keep to themselves on the whole, but they have never given me any hassle so they don’t bother me as much as Celtic do.

Again, that’s your view and based on your own experience and I respect that it is different from mine. And “my COS leaning towards Protestant leaning teams”. Like who? Rangers and…Hearts by any chance? I’ve no liking for Rangers, I just find Celtic to be a lot worse, in my experience. And for the record, I’m Catholic, practising and all so your “COS leanings” and talk about supposed Protestant leaning teams is way off, to say the very least. As far as I’m concerned football and religion do not belong together and shouldn’t have any bearing on what club you follow. The same goes for politics.

That’s your view, mine is different. To me Celtic’s ‘worst’ is a lot worse and more insufferable than Rangers ‘worst’. Rangers fans at worst are delusional, backward looking halfwits with their views on certain aspects of football and life and their ridiculous ‘WATP’ mentality. They tie themselves in knots to pretend that they believe that their club didn’t fold after their dodgy dealings caught up with them, but in the main I can let them go over my head. Celtic on the other hand are alot more sinister and dangerous in the way they operate, both club and support.