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No but knowing us we probably will.

It’s all about getting match fitness and sharpness in at this stage so it’s encouraging to see us rack up the goals albeit we can’t read anything into it. The fact that remains that anything other than progression from our League Cup Group is unacceptable and I’d even go further and say that if we don’t make the quarter finals then it also not good enough.

Some encouraging and negative signs from that. Miller did well and we actually looked decent going forward for once but on the other hand we looked as leaky as ever at the back. Obviously pretty difficult to read too much into a game like this but it gives us some idea of where we are at this point. The best thing about tonight was seeing us play in last seasons home strip. It’s just a pity we’re trading it in for a Lidls junk aisle lookalike horror show.

100% this. If we are relying on SO’D as our main right back/wing back this season then I suspect we will be in trouble.

Great strike from Miller .

They’ll probably recall him in January and send him back out somewhere else.

No it’s Hearts that are in the Europa League Playoff, not us.

I certainly wouldn’t applaud or cheer him if or when he ever turned out against us for Rangers, I just can’t get on board with applauding players playing against us for another team. That said I’ve got nothing against him and Rangers don’t bother me half as much as they do a lot of people so if he ends next season having sat on the bench for the most part but pockets a league winners medal, gets his hands on the League trophy and has the other mob and Brendan Rodgers pig sick then I’ll be very happy for him.

Liam Kelly was a good goalkeeper and a good servant for us during his three and a half years here. When he came at first he was a huge upgrade on what we had at the time and played a big part in keeping us up that season and was excellent for the next two campaigns. His form definitely fell away during last season and I was never comfortable with him being club captain if I’m honest, but he did well for us overall. Best of luck to him at Rangers.

The 13/14 away kit we had when Craig Reid scored the last minute winner at Pittodrie wasn’t a million miles away from this tbh.

Hearts are guaranteed a Europa League Playoff spot so our game against them will be the Sunday.

That’s something that you’d maybe expect us to do in today’s climate with the cost of living and us making a bigger effort to engage with the support and the town in general. It might not be financially viable for us as I said but asking people to fork out £45/£50 and upwards every season for a new kit is a big ask.

You may well be right about that but it’s clearly something that divides the support every year, be that traditional/a wee bit different/completely out the box or the old white shorts/claret shorts/amber shorts debate. It would be interesting though to get a better idea of the general view of the fanbase as to what our kit should be like.

I’m sure I made that very point on this thread last year about us keeping the same kit for two seasons, something that hasn’t happened for us since we had the Puma kit of 2011 to 2013 (Michael Higdon’s time to be precise). I know that it’s not just us that change every year nowadays, indeed I think every club does it but do we really need to? Perhaps we do because of the revenue it generates for the club that we couldn’t afford to miss out on and if so, fair enough, I accept that. Maybe it’s a contractual agreement between the club and the manufacturer and again if that’s the case, fair enough. It’s certainly worth asking the question though.

I certainly wouldn’t want Celtic, Rangers and Hearts as our first three games.

Yeah I think I’ll stick to wearing last seasons home kit for games next season. That was a smart and classical Motherwell FC home top. It seems like we’re alternating between a traditional kit one season then a different/awful one the next.

I shall do the next time I'm down that way. As I said to me that looks like a Dundee Utd kit but if you're telling me it's nothing of the sort when you see it in the flesh then I'll certainly take a closer look.

I think officially it’s ‘coral’ but it’s basically a Dundee Utd kit with a Motherwell badge. I’m not overly fussed with the training gear tbh but the home kit is something that is important to us as a club. It’s our identity and we have a set of colours which are instantly associated with Motherwell FC in Scottish Football. Why then we keep trying to “do something different” or recreate strips from over 40 years or so ago is beyond me. And yes, I get the kit makers and the club trying to make money argument to a point, but as I’ve always said the fans who are going to buy the strips will generally buy the strips regardless of what they look like and the ones who aren’t won’t buy it. You don’t see Celtic or Newcastle or Leeds Utd or Aberdeen or Hearts constantly trying to “do something a bit different” and buggering about with their traditional home kits, I just wish we could take a leaf out of their books.

Are the fans ever properly consulted with kits nowadays? With the ‘Dundee United’ training kit and now this shanner you really do wonder?

I thought nothing could be worse than the mid 90s jester kit or the 22/23 abomination but that tops it. Absolutely utterly howling and yet again we p1ss about with our vintage and classical home colours. And before anyone says “who cares what we play in” I care! I want to see my club playing in its traditional home kit. Absolutely awful.

Really pleased we have managed to secure Liam Gordon, a very good CB in our league. I would be handing him the captains armband as well.

Don’t know what height and weight he is.

Big Hearts fan is Callachan.

Zach Robinson signs. A forward who scored 3 goals in 21 appearances for Dundee last season.

That's undoubtedly true and a huge irritant for me, that for a club that never stops bleating about being cash strapped and rattling the begging bowls we don't half sign some amount of dross, some of which we know from the outset are perma-crocked. When you think of the money we've spunked down the pan in the last year alone on the likes of Obika, Halliday, Souare, Shaw and giving SO'D an extension then it's frightening and infuriating. But hey "c'mon Taylor Swift gees some money"