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2-0 Motherwell, although I wouldn't be surprised if we completely take them apart. Dundee are absolutely garbage.

I look forward to them realising Motherwell have replaced them in the new Pro Evo (assuming its still happening).

Surely another "we can see you walking away!" chant will be far more effective!

Indeed. I fully expect a pretty hostile atmosphere for about 20 minutes, then it'll be business as usual for these morons. You don't turn a silent stadium, where the away support regularly out sings the far bigger home support, into a cauldron of intimidation and fear simply because a few angry Currant Buns (of which, experience would suggest, most won't even be there) start bashing away at their keyboards on Rangers forums. If Motherwell fans genuinely fear for their safety and genuinely don't want to go (or don't go to Ibrox for other reasons) then that's completely understandable. But it almost feels like it's more of a talking point to discuss why you're not going for some folk rather than talking about the game itself or the plans for those who are going. Everyone understands that a large number of our fans don't go to Ibrox (or Celtic Park anyway) and that there is potential for some heat inside and outside the ground (although whether that comes to anything at all remains to be seen), it just gets a little tiresome when every few posts is someone announcing that they're not going. I'd never try and tell people what to post (especially on a thread about the "Crowd For Ibrox"), but perhaps a "I'm Not Going To Ibrox" thread wouldn't be out of the question?! It's bad enough trying to get a big Motherwell support for the lads through to Ibrox for a massive game with a few Rangers fans posting shite about intimidation, fear and trouble without our own fans aiding the cause as well. I'm going and, personally, I'm thoroughly looking forward to it.

Nonsense. Rangers are skint, there'll be no coin chucking.

Michael Doesburg and Benny Kemble's celebrations together after good results, especially against the Old Firm, were enough to make them cult heroes IMO.

My personal favourites. Bunch of fannies. This is going to be far, far easier a wind-up than I originally thought. Admittedly, it's taken me twenty minutes to write this post as I keep making typos due to shaking with fear. Fucking rockets. On a side note, I've already had an Aberdeen fan and a Kilmarnock fan asking me to keep them updated about tickets for the 'Well end. It seems it really is Sevco 5088 Ltd vs the SPL...

Oh aye, I recognise that it's a result of what's happened and that, probably, we had no say in the matter. I did however hope that we'd still get left with a few good away days rather than pretty much all of them being moved to Sunday lunch-time kick offs. However, clubs either need to decide that TV money isn't more important than the fans who go to games, or they need to ditch the claims of wanting more fans through the gates. They can't have it both way. We've just had a lot of our upcoming games shifted around for the folk who sit and watch it on TV, putting out those who go to the games. And yet our club will still be one of many peddling the nonsense that the fans are the most important and we're actively attracting more bums on seats etc. I'd prefer to be skinter with no TV deal.

Pretty much, aye! On a serious note, this isn't good. I've already had a couple of mates putting forward suggestions of football days elsewhere now - given we were already planning on spending the time and money for the original away days to Aberdeen, Inverness, Hearts etc. Of course, I'm not suggesting that we'll all have chucked following Motherwell away from home by the end of the season, but at a time when clubs are claiming that a priority is getting folk through the gates, having 'Well fans going elsewhere on these weekends isn't good for anyone. After everything that's happened over the summer, interest in and commitment to football was seriously tested for a lot of people. To reward them with fixture changes like this is a shambles, TV or no TV.

They pick all their Celtic matches then the handful of Sevco matches they'll be showing. Then they throw darts at the fixture list for the year to see who else is on TV. Raging at this. Aberdeen, Inverness and Hearts had already been marked on the calendar as the usual good away days. That's now scrapped thanks to, as usual, armchair fans taking priority over folk who go to games. So much for trying to get folk through the turnstyles. I miss the good old days when we mostly had to be at home to the h**s or the Tims to make it onto the TV.

So that's Aberdeen Away and Inverness Away both moved to Sunday with shite lunch-time kick offs so far this season. Hearts Away is usually a good day out too. Fuck off TV.

"Sutton... Jutkiewicz on the chase, might get there... Hanlon is with him... Jutkiewicz... OH WOW! OH WOW! LUKAS JUTKIEWICZ!"

Rhodes is at Blackburn.

Everybody scrap the black guy chat before Frazzie logs on.

Wasn't it a load of h*n supporting neds at the Orange Walk that smashed up our empty bus on its way to pick us up for the Masters? Wee arseholes, but it's not really the same thing. As I said before, there'll be abuse, intimidation and perhaps even the odd scuffle if the two parties are game, but chat about anything more is pretty over the top IMO.

Agreed. There'll be plenty of abuse and intimidation in and around Ibrox, and no doubt the atmosphere will be particularly hate-filled, but folk are getting far too carried away. Looking forward to it!

In fact, thinking about the subway - a slightly different plan could be a booze in the West End and then the subway from Kelvinbridge or Hillhead etc. That way, you're still going to encounter Currants (especially when you get off at the station obviously) but it wouldn't be nearly as bad on the subway as coming in from St Enoch.

We normally get the subway (usual plan is a booze in Times Square and then the subway from St Enoch) but didn't really fancy it much for this. I think our plan will be an afternoon booze in the town, probably head more towards the Exhibition Centre end of town, and then just walk from there. It's not a massive walk, 20-25 minutes or so. That said, if there's a big group of 'Well fans getting the subway, we'd probably do that.

Never even crossed my mind not to go.

Maybe slightly, but not enough to suggest a bigger allocation.

We'll agree to disagree on Black. He's a very average player who, from one look at Rangers forums, still gets pelters from his own fans for being gash in the Third Division. He's made a career out of being a make-believe hardman, something that he can't get away with in the Third Division (as there are real hard bastards there!) and it's shown. The idea that Templeton will automatically no longer be hot and cold because he's signed for Rangers is pure speculation. McCulloch scoring a winning goal against us doesn't mean much. Marc Fitzpatrick scored a winning goal against Hearts one night, it hardly meant much. When I say he's not worth worrying about, I mean that he's no more worth worrying about than big SPL strikers we face week in week out. I describe Shiels as a good player because he is a good player. Personally I didn't watch all of Kilmarnock's games last season so I'll assume you did and take your word for it that he was player of the year. Even so, there are plenty of good players who have a particularly good season once in a while, it's hardly enough for me to start bricking it. Andrew Little played for Rangers in February, March, April and May last season. He scored four goals in total - two of which were in the one game. If that's what you classify as a "bundle" then we have differing opinions there. My opinions haven't changed. This is a decent Rangers side that would probably be about mid-table in the SPL at the moment. But that's it. The idea that we need to fear them because there's a Rangers crest on their shirt is absolute nonsense.

Everything I've heard from Rangers fans seems to suggest that's the case. They're apparently looking really good going forward but are absolutely honking at the back. You've got to remember that this is against the likes of Elgin, Brechin and Berwick. No disrespect to those sides, but if they're really good going forward against them, it means they're decent on SPL terms. If they're absolutely honking at the back against them, it means they're absolutely fucking mind-blowingly honking on SPL terms. I know the temptation is to be pessimistic because it's Rangers we're playing and it's at Ibrox but really, there's absolutely no reason we can't do this diddy mob. From the players you've listed... Alexander - good keeper but Randolph is better. Wallace - good SPL level left-back but nothing we haven't faced, and beaten, before. Black - mediocre and, again, a player we've dealt with easily before. Templeton - good player who'd be in our first team probably but blows hot and cold and has been in plenty of Hearts teams we've gotten results against before. McCulloch - old, slow, and nothing worth worrying about these days. Shiels - good player, but did anyone shite themselves when he lined up for Hibs or Kilmarnock? Sandaza - again, a good player, but no one was bricking it from him when he was in a St Johnstone or Dundee United kit. Kyle - fat bastard, he's probably found his level. Little - looks a decent player but it's no coincidence he's suddenly banging them in because the Currants are in the Third Division. Throw in the various youngsters who normally wouldn't be anywhere near the side if they weren't struggling for numbers, random foreigners (including the apparently shite defenders) who have absolutely no idea what to expect when they play an SPL side, a load of players who will now be used to the rhythm and level of lower league football, and a manager who can't even get it right away from home in the bottom division. Let the Currants bang on about our shite attendances and how this is their glorious chance for revenge and "war". We'll turn up, do them, and have a quiet exit from an empty Ibrox.

It was more a tongue in cheek comment about those who'd be greeting about it even if it was just a nothing comment taken out of context or a case of being misquoted. I don't have a problem with McCall playing us down as favourites. It'll do us absolutely no favours to go to Ibrox with the added pressure and expectation caused by being favourites. But talking us down before games against Rangers does us no favours either. If its genuinely going to end up being his usual 'chances are we'll get horsed' chat then someone at the club needs to have a word and finally ditch that patter.

It'll be the usual case of a reporter asking McCall whether we're favourites and him suggesting that we're probably not. Cue an over the top article about how McCall's putting a fortune on Sevco to win the match, and a few folk on here greeting about him doing it.

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