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I noticed that. And helped keep Robinson's Morcambe in the relegation zone.

£20k for each goal he scores until the end of the season and £100k for each position higher they finish this season after they sign him.

Nah. It was to stop all the shenanigans when opponents added themselves to the end of a wall.

Like I said, Skippy was signed by Celtic in March, but played for us the remainder of the season. So while it's not typical, it's certainly possible. In general though, I tend to agree that when player wants to leave we should just punt them ASAP. In this particular case, I'd let him go early for free, but add a clause in the contract that says Utd pay us £20k for each goal he scores before the end of the season.

True. "When it doubt, kick it out" is still a good tactic for a defender.

Aye, Kipré had his back to the play. Keeper can see what's going on and needed to give him a shout to claim it or clear it.

They've had a slight dip in form recently. 2 wins and 3 draws in their last 5 and losing to Derby right now thanks to a disastrous mix-up between Kipré and his keeper to concede - although 99% keeper's fault. Having said that, the last few games I've seen them play, Cedric has been doing well. Seems to have a lot more freedom to get up the park, which he's been enjoying.

Two more random thoughts from the game. 1) For the "we always struggle against teams like Livi" brigade, I read this morning that in our past 22 meetings, we have won 16 and drawn 4. 2) The pitch is in great condition.

He's definitely back at WBA - I'm watching him play now. I don't know that all the transfer clauses were made public, but if it's anything like Marvin Johnson (and no reason to think otherwise) then I think we are due a cut of future transfer fees.

Whether we like it or not, most of this comes down to agreements between clubs and players. We bring in players on the basis that we can improve their careers and, if they succeed, they can move on to better things. You often hear managers saying "we won't stand in their way" - and they mean that. Most of them have been players themselves, and know how a transfer negotiation can affect your game. The pre-contract situation just makes things more complicated. Some players can handle that no problem. Skippy is a good example of that. Others, not so much. Then you need to account for other factors such as strength of the current squad, available replacements (if required), finances, cost of selling vs higher league position and, as others have pointed out, is the player moving to a rival. I get the feeling that if we held on to Watt until the summer that he'd adopt the right attitude and maintain his level of performance. However, the club might feel it's better to bring in some cash and new blood and let Watt move on in January. With the possibility of reduced numbers in the crowds (or no crowds at all) looming, that also might factor in the equation. A final consideration is that if we do let Watt move on, it again shows to potential new signings that we are a good club to deal with if you are looking to develop your career. The only surprise to me is that he seems to be choosing Dundee Utd. It seems like he doesn't want to leave Scotland again, but happy to risk leaving the club he says "suits him perfectly" for a relatively small bump in wages.

And if Lyndon Dykes is in a 2-man wall, most refs just get confused.

If Woolery hadn't done his "can't trap a bag of cement" trick I'd have have given it to Shields for what would have been 2 assists and a strong overall contribution. Kaiyne robbed him of that, though, so I've gone for van Veen.

Place your cross in the Christmas Box.

If we're still paying his wages, he should be earning his keep. Get him starting.

The club doesn't usually announce details of incoming or outgoing until deals are finalised and contracts signed. Regardless of whether he goes in Jan or stays until the end of the season, we certainly did well from signing TW and he's another example of a resurrected career we can point to when we are recruiting a replacement. I'm sure GA has plans in place regardless of the outcome.

Regardless of the rights or wrongs, a combination of milder form of delta but orders of magnitude more transmissible means that more people are going to end up in hospital and/or die. Science over - now back to the rants.

Aye, it's one thing Dundee managing to get a hold of Charlie Adam, as he was a boyhood fan looking to finish his career there. And even then, it took an individual to put their hands in their pocket to finance it. They might make an offer, of course, but if TW does want to stay in Scotland there are likely to be better offers from the usual suspects.

And yet, when the world was shut down last year, they gave special permission for football to be played. Politicians in general aren't great football fans, but they have to be pretty dim even by their standards to have no appreciation of how popular it is amongst their voters.

Livi (and Ross County) have shown more fight in their last few games, and will certainly be a tougher game than Saturday's. If we maintain our form, however, there's no reason we can't win this one by a couple.

If he is looking for a move, he'd be better off waiting until the summer to see what his options are. Teams looking for goalscorers in January are usually struggling. Why not enjoy a few more months at Fir Park and then review the offers by the pool in July?

Would love to see that - despite the flashbacks of Jimmy Bone taking the mick.

As I said in the other thread, I didn't want Tommy Wright anywhere near our team. He has had zero experience taking on a squad in relegation trouble, zero experience in relegation play-offs and his brand of football was eye-bleedingly hard to watch. No hindsight required to see he wasn't not the man for the job. Unless Dundee have financial problems, I can't see them doing much with Charlie Adam other than a slap on the wrist and a statement about how disappointed they are with his behaviour. They would never have been promoted without him, and they don't look half as good when he doesn't play.

I love a clean strike with no spin on the ball.

That's the one reported on the BBC website as "launched a straight ball over the top" - making it sound like an aimless punt up the park.

Aye, they haven't exactly re-invested their profits from their cup runs last season or the 2 million they pulled in selling Ali McCann and Jason Kerr in the summer.