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The SPL are kicking them out. It's up to the SFL to do the right thing now.

From the Evening Times

It's up to the SFL chairmen now, but hopefully their fans will send them the same message.

Aye, unfortunately that might well be the case. It's all very well agreeing to kick out newco for reduced finances, but the cost will likely be a level of inconsistency in the short terms.

Even more experienced pros like Chris Porter looked out of their depth in their first couple of appearances. If the fans aren't prepared to let our youngsters develop, it's going to be a long season for them, because we can expect to be relying on more of them this time around.

Do you really think HMRC wouldn't notice? It's not that difficult to audit gate receipts.

Some of us are still waiting for him to turn up.

Which players do you think are overpaid and how much are they earning?

I don't think he's carrying injuries right now, but with his history of ACL and knee injuries, he's at a high risk of more of the same unfortunately. Not saying he's not worth a short term punt if he comes cheap, but there is a reason he hasn't been snapped up yet.

Fitness is transient.

And yet, he is still without a club.

Yes. When he was younger and fitter he was capable of turning it on even at international level. Injuries and sitting on the bench for extended periods has seen some of that diminish.

I obviously haven't seen him in every game, but the times I have watched him play over the last 2 or 3 years, he hasn't come close to the form he showed for us. That's why he has been floating around looking for a club in recent times.

Now that ESPN have lost the EPL, they may be more willing to pick up the slack in the SPL. Not saying the money would be the same, but might be another option on the table.

Of course nobody thinks the WS will make that 900k. But don't blame the fans for that, blame the cheats who have been fiddling their taxes for the past few years. Selling a couple of players, bringing up a couple of youngsters instead of dabbling in the transfer market, getting past one round of European competition, the TV deal not being as bad as predicted etc. will all make an impact on the projected losses. The teams in the SFL generally seem to cope without Sky and OF revenues, and we managed it ourselves when we were dossing around the First Division for a few years. July 4th. Independence from the Union Jack wavers. No SPL representation without taxation

Likewise. He was up here last year when he was on crutches, working out at the Fir Park facilities, so it's not unusual for him to be training with the team. Be surprised to see him play a competitive match, but if he's willing to sign a pay-per-play deal it would certainly get a few more bums on seats.

The guy at the back post defintely looks like a tint-job.

Seriously. Do you think a business can provide for itself without customers? Self-sufficient means being able to live within our means and not rely on debt to finance our activities. Now that a slice of our income has been removed, and we have no bank debt facilities, there is a risk (and only a risk) that a combination of negative factors could put us into administration. It's pretty standard in business to identify and manage operational risks. It doesn't mean they will transpire, but you need to account for them.

I don't think you understand what 'self-sufficient' means. (Clue: it doesn't mean we can survive with zero income).

Because if we finished at the bottom end of the table we'd end up with an even bigger operating loss. This past financial year was problematic for a few reasons, including not selling our mandated player. That put a large dent in the budget which we could likely have managed better if it wasn't for the Rangers debacle. Now, if we were to be awarded 2nd place money due to the newco situation, we might have a bit more flexibilty, but no point in spending ourselves into a black hole this season.

He says he wants to finish his career at Fir Park - that is a few years away yet.

The article doesn't say he has heart troubles, it says his blood sugar was low (which would certainly explain passing out). Sounds like the cardiologist was just a precaution.

I'm not swayed by anything - quite the opposite. I just want to see the information presented. And, more importantly, see if we are being presented with a simple yes/no option.

I don't believe they should be a special case either, but they are the first case in the SPL to be starting a newco and seeing as the founders weren't smart enough to legislate for such an eventuality, we are in this mess.

Aye, what we are actually voting on. Nobody has said it's a straightforward yes/no option. If we vote No, does SPL 2 come into play? Does newco go to SFL 3? Will legal challenges screw up the SPL next season? Would that screw up Scottish entries in UEFA competitions? How many staff at Fir Park do we get rid of if our budget gets cut? Does No mean we lose our chance to change SPL voting procedures? And that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there is plenty of horsetrading going on behind the scenes right now. I'd also like to see the cold hard figures (or best estimate of them), because I like to make informed decisions. If it does turn out to be a simple yes/no option, then fair enough, but I'll wait until I see what's on the table before committing. Remember, this is the future of our club and Scottish football we are influencing here - I think it's prudent to be fully informed.