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He has had more good games than that. There was a period of 3 or 4 weeks at the start of the bad run when he was our best player.

I would agree it was looking like that and I couldnt see a way out of it for him. I thought the Ross County game was going to be the last straw. But the board stuck with him and he has arrested the direction of travel with the last few performances. My point is that doesnt change with a defeat to Rangers tomorrow. A capitulation, followed by defeats to Aberdeen and Livvy would be the end for me and should be for SK, but we are not there yet. He keeps buying himself time, and he has the players to thank for sticking with him.

Nah. You dont get to do that. You said none of his signings had contributed anything. I gave you 3. The fact that the others arguably havent is neither here nor there. But given that Obika has scored a goal amd both Bair and Shave have assists in the last few weeks, Im not even sure that argument holds up. By all means argue that his signings are not of the quality required to have us climb the league. But you cant argue that none of them have contributed. Biereth has 6 goals in 10 games!

So Spencer, Gent and Biereth havent contibuted anything? Paton isnt everyones cup of tea, but I think he has made a positive contribution too. You can debate whether SK deserves another window or not. But at least make your argumemt fact based.

Sorry. I dont see how losing to Rangers at the start of this run makes them any easier to beat this time around. We both still have the same players and our confidence isnt anywhere near as high as it was the last time around. If anything, they have improved under Clement, so it should actually he harder to beat them. The only way this came becomes a factor is if its a total capitulation and we lose by 7 or 8.

I agree re Dawes though......

Nah. Not having that. You have to take the context of who the opposition is and factor that into the equation. He hasnt been sacked at this stage and we havent beat Rangers in a league game for 20 years. So expecting SK and this team to do so at the wrong end of this run is just mental. You are more than entitled to hold the opinion that he should be gone already, but binning him for losing to Rangers is silly talk. As I said, if we get the end of the Livvy game without a win and lose to them, then that could be terminal. Also, the players havent chucked it yet and are still clearly playing for SK. What happens if we sack him before the Livvy game? What kind of preparation is that. Remember the Hamilton game under Lasley? That game is too important to be adding more turmoil into the situation.

Absolutely no chance. If he loses on Sunday, against Aberdeen away AND Livvy at home, then the pressure will be insurmountable. But there is clearly no appetite on the board to change the manager or he would have been gone after the County game.

Im not gonna sit here and say Connor Wilkinson is great. He clearly isnt. But I think he does have a decent touch and looks like he can finish. Unfortunately he has no pace or physical attributes to back that up. My biggest problem with his signing is that our tactics and playing style dont suit the kind of player he is. If all he had to do was time his run into the box and wait for it to arrive he would probably do alright and score an acceptable number of goals. But the way we are set up and the inflexibility in our squad to change it means he looks seriously out of place and out of his depth. Thats very much on the manager and the recruitment team.

Oh no! Are you saying we will never have a better chance? 😆

I blame the weather!

Always been wary about a move away from Fir Park, particularly with the recent investment in the stadium and pitch. However, the main stand is apparently in need of rennovation / replacement and we clearly dont have the money for that so we need to look at all options. I wouldnt be against a move to Ravenscraig as there is an emotional tie to the old steelworks site that would sit fine with me and if we were able to generate funds from the sale of Fir Park to build something out there that was more modern and with better facilities, then we would be mad not to look at it. Would probably need a tie in with the council, who, from what Im led to believe, havent always been that supportive, so not sure how that would play out. I would hope we could be a bit more adventurous in our design requirements though than some of the uninspiring grounds other clubs our size have gone with. Only need to look at Scandinavia to see what can be achieved.

PS For what its worth, Im not against bringing in investment from outside sources, but as others have said, it should be as a minority shareholding. The Well Society should always have 51% minimum so that any rogue investor cant sell us down the river.

For once, I actually agree with Steelboy. Our current problems dont sit with the ownership model. They are down to poor decision making over the last 3 or 4 years where we have spunked shitloads of cash on sacking managers and moving on their sub standard players. Even if we get a rich benefactor we must spend our cash wisely, otherwise we will be in hock to that benefactor. What happens when they pull the plug and want their cash back as they undoubtedly will? Regardless of who runs the club, we need to live within our means. They way to generate more cash for investment is to make good decisions, become successful on the field of play and re-invest any rewards wisely. Its only 6 years since we got to 2 cup finals in a season and since then we have developed and moved on around £5m worth of talent. Its what we did with that money that is our current problem.

I was trying the MJC reverse psychology. Every time we think we will never have a better chance we end up getting pumped!

Our average home support has been around 4k for as long as I can remember. Even in the years we finished 2nd and 3rd or further back to the mid 90s when we challenged for the title, it didnt move much. John Boyle pretty much tried everything from signing players we couldnt afford to letting kids in for free. Nothing worked. The biggest difference these days is that away supports have fallen drastically, so other than Rangers and Celtic we dont get anywhere near filling the South Stand.

I think folk are reponding to this quote in the press release...... "It has become very clear over the last few years that for the club to operate on a sustainable basis, provide the manager with a competitive player budget, meet the vastly increased cost of our other activities including having a successful Woman’s Team and maintaining a fit for purpose Stadium, Training Ground and Academy facility, that it will require significant investment; funding on a similar scale to that received by many others in the SPFL."

Im not sure I agree with or fully understand what they are saying. Surely the club requires to be run on a sustainable basis regardless of who owns it? In other words we only spend the cash we generate. The Well Society was supposed to be operated as an overdraft facility to aid cash flow during points in the season when revenues were low and there was still expenditure requiring to be covered. That being the case the money going in and out of the Society should actually accumulate over time and become larger as more donations are made. If we are still running that model, then the only thing a wealthy shareholder would bring is a bigger overdraft facility. If we are not running that model then I would be concerned as to what we are opening ourselves up to. What wealthy benefactor is going to put investment into the club without wanting a return on that investment? If they want a return, where is it going to come from? We went down that route before and it nearly finished us. So, whilst it would appear to be a good thing that changes are afoot and we are to get new blood and new ideas into the club, I think we should be careful what we wish for. The guys who have been running the club may not have done everything to the satisfaction of the fans and they will certainly have made mistakes. But they were all Motherwell fans and had the best interests of the club at heart. I thank them for their service and hope they have left behind a plan to secure our future going forward.

We showed at Ibrox earlier in the season we have the players to challenge them. And we now have a striker that can finish and cause them problems.

Rangers are in great form, unbeaten under Clement. We havent won in 14 games. We will never have a poorer chance! 😉

I think we would all accept that the standard of our league isnt as good as it used to be. But to suggest its total shite and there is no entertainment in it at all is manifestly wrong. Christ, we havent won in 14 games, but would anyone say they werent entertained by any of our last minute equalisers this season? Kellys penalty save at Parkhead? Mika rag dolling the Hibs defence on his debut? Passing Rangers off the park at Ibrox? Theres been plenty to be entertained by this season despite our woeful record, and thats just us, the team second bottom of the league! He has thrown his players under the bus with that interview after only a few weeks in the door. Many of them would be justified in saying "Why dont you f#ck off back to Morecombe then" Be interesting to see how Ross County's results go in the next few weeks.

We have 5 draws in 7 matches including a number of last minute equalisers. Livi havent scored a goal in 7 games. I would never suggest Motherwell are a stick on to beat anyone, but its in no way doubtful. I would say though, if we do go into that game with 16 without a win after the Rangers and Aberdeen games and we lose to Livvy, then the recent improvements will count for nothing and the end of the road will have been reached. I sincerely hope that doesnt happen.

Just seen the interview. Thats a total meltdown from Adams. Cant believe he has thrown his players under the bus so early. Hard to see how that plays out well.

Good point at a difficult venue. Probably should have had 3 going by the chances we missed. But the clean sheet is pleasing. Shout out to Liam Kelly for his penalty save, David for defending him after last weeks debacle and SK for keeping the faith in his no.1. Just shows you what I know! 😆

This is where Im at. A few weeks ago I thought it was looking very grim and that SKs head had gone. However, today we've gone away to the 4th best team in the country who have only lost once at home this season to Rangers, with a patchwork defence and kept a clean sheet. Given the goals we have conceded of late, those bemoaning our poor 4 man midfield might want to have a think about how that was achieved. Had we converted just 1 of the 4 gilt edged chances created in the second half, then we would be sitting with our first win since September. I get that its no wins in 14 now, but the manager did everything asked of him today. If he continues to do that and the players keep playing for him, then that win wont be far away. There is no doubt the squad still needs help in January. But its looking less desperate than it was.