mfc88

Good one. What's a discussion forum for like? If you actually read any of my posts you'd see I'm not saying "no one need to isolate". Anyway, its an opinion. You don't need to get personal.

If one person is coming into close enough contact with 20 odd on a daily basis something is wrong. Clubs should be doing everything to mitigate the spread - avoiding indoor contact, distancing/ limiting numbers in the gym, training in smaller groups, blah blah blah. We don't know the full details of the situation, but 3 cases equalling a call off smells like shite to me tbh. It took 6 positive cases at killie to force the game off.

Exactly. If 3 positive cases is enough to require umpteen players go into isolation then the protocols in place at st mirren to prevent the spread of the virus and protect their staff are not sufficient, and they should be held accountable for that.

Yeah sounding dodgey if you ask me... If you assume an r-value of 2-3 (as it was at the start of the pandemic, before social distancing) then 3 cases should mean around an additional 6-9 players (9-12 total) need to isolate. 30 players listed on their website so should easily be able to get a squad of 13. Unless, as suggested, they are at it or have insufficient distancing processes internally. Not exactly leakproof theory there, but the killie game was going ahead with 3 +ve cases. Maybe I'm just gutted the game is off but pretty sure I smell shite...

I thought they were for the taking last night. Second half felt like a case of one team is going to get someone sent off and unfortunately it was us. Other than that I dont think we've a lot to be ashamed of, 3-0 doesn't paint a pretty picture, but that wasn't at all the picture for most of the game. Easy to forget the heat they were playing in too. Ref was very whistle happy which was annoying but consistent both ways tbf. However I thought their boy should have been off for his tackle on Watt early on. High, studs up, and through the back of watt to get nowhere near the ball. Had that not been so early on I suspect it might have been. But these things never go in our favour!

We must be due decent compensation for campbell? 500k minimum? No idea how this stuff is worked out, perhaps someone can enlighten me, but based on hastie/ erwin fees and the fact campbell has played more games, domestically and internationally. Factor in a couple league positions and a cup run he is absolutely worth holding out for the right price. So IMO we shouldnt be accepting anything less than 1.5-2M plus add ons for campbell. His influence on the team is absolutely worth that to us right now. Made up transfer scenarios aside, I cannot speak highly enough of this boy. His application and attitude is second to none and could have a very good career ahead of him.

Still a lot to learn then - there is no such thing as a normal start to the season for us!! Remember - the Motherwell rollercoaster is for life not just a season

This is a fair point and Barry maguire is a good example - he's 22 and been around the first team for 4 or 5 years. If he's not good enough (and I'm not saying that's the case), then the management should have been looking to move him on by now, for the sake of his own career, let alone the club. If he is good enough then he's waited long enough for a chance and now is it. As it happens I suspect Barry will start at the weekend and Crawford is brought in for back up to allow semple to stay out on loan and perhaps cornelius out on loan too - regular competitive games for half a season will do these lads more good than sitting on our bench.

A few freezes in the first half using player 1, but i changed to player 3 at half time and was perfect second half. No complaints from me. Always going to be teething problems - I'd say we should have been trialling the system more with a few friendlies so that these were ironed out for the league games though. A bit worrying that we couldn't see off livi at home on the footballing front though, ahead of a flying hibs team on sat.

I think the bbc commentators are at the game. For what its worth my stream has been fine, but no sound for the first half. Now got sound but 10 or so seconds behind. Would expect better going forwards, but tolerable.

I changed to player 3 for the second half and now have sound. Don't know if that's coincidental or not.

I was about to say the same thing about no sound yet. Glad its not just me. Players coming out though...

Money aside, reduced numbers at both ends will kill the atmosphere at fir park, and at most other grounds round the country. Against it as anything other than a short term solution myself.

Please tell me this is a wind up?? Got to be...

If we have exhausted all other avenues to bring in a winger, or don't have one coming through the youth ranks, I wouldn't be against hastie coming back on loan. I don't like the idea of developing a rangers player either, but its an area we need to strengthen and hastie will do that, plus its a low risk move for both parties in that he knows a lot of the players, management and backroom staff... Rangers are always going to have good players regardless, and if its not us developing him it'll be someone else anyway.

I notice that jordan white has been bumped to number 9, maybe reading too much into it but indicative that long is probably away IMO. https://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/squad/first-team/

Is that in the best interest of the game though? Scotland needs less senior teams, not more. Punting the premiership up to 14 and adding Kelty and Brora to the setup just because "its fairer" isn't the answer IMO. There was a decent article going around recently featuring Gordon strachan talking about this. His opinion on the number of semi pro teams in Scotland is harsh, but can't disagree with it. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52797428 (I'm sure there was a more in depth article somewhere but I couldn't find it and this is the jist.)

Don't get me wrong - I do see the point from a financial perspective. We have made money off boys that are yet to make it, even at our level, years down the line - hall and leitch a couple examples. They will not all go on to be as good as mcfadden. But as a fan, its not all about money and I'd love to see more of these lads make their mark on the first team, even if some of them don't.

To be fair, in recent-ish times, the only young player who didn't get enough of a chance at us but went on to prove himself at our level is lawless. Even then you're going back 10 years. Could have been others but he's the only one that comes to mind, certainly not a common occurrence. I'd rather see us finding a way of keeping the likes of mckinstry, mcalear, etc. We know we're re never going to sign an international player, but we can develop one... but more often than not our top youth are poached before they reach the first team. Kind of makes you wonder "whats the point?" And I can see why falkirk (for example) have done away with their youth academy... however I'd never support us doing that. It is still pretty successful in spite of that.

Link to record article for calum lang story. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/callum-lang-targeted-motherwell-loan-22202961 According to wiki 25 goals from 78 league 1 & 2 & cup games - is a decent stat. Sounds promising. Also about halfway down, the article nonchalantly mentions that we have signed Scott fox... News to me and not on official. Leaked or nonsense?

Always though Gogic had strange playing style, but possibly would be a good addition. I also see that mcgowan is leaving accies as well, suspect he'll be looking to move to england so doubt it's a realistic option but thought he was excellent for them and would be a bit of a coup IMO.

Sounds interesting if you still have the link??

News to me that its not... Anywhere we can keep up to date with the latest strategy of the society? The page on the official site doesnt give much away.

Not that I've seen and nothing on the official site. Just saw hes not in the u21 squad and putting 2 and 2 together.

When allan campbell went off injured on sat, was it a bad one? And is he out for a few games? I just assumed it was a sore one but nothing serious. Just noticed hes been omitted from the u21 squad when hes been a stalwart in that team.