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Everything posted by Ya Bezzer!
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Well done Scotty! Still our best striker IMO.
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Exactly. People will go on about the defence but currently we have failed to score 2 goals in a league match 12 matches into the season, if you exclude a Frederic Frans OG for Partick. Just not good enough. We seem to have had most of the play and most of the chances and couldn't score. Think it is becoming a big, big problem, more so than the other end as our defensive record isn't too bad.
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Seem to remember him scoring a cracking volley into the Davie Cooper end. Can't mind who it was against but might well have been Falkirk.
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You must be pleased with Dundee Utd then. Although a bit depressing to think the only league win they've had this season was against us.
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Butcher did a great job at our place. Given the circumstances he had to work in I think there is a good case for saying he was our best manager since Tommy McLean. Butcher laid the foundations of everything later managers like McGhee, Brown and McCall did and in some cases superceded them (contrast his cup record with that of McCall for instance). He also got Inverness promoted at the first attempt after relegation, no easy task, and again established them as a Premier level team, something they hadn't been up till then. As for Hibs the problems there were deep rooted and no manager since has been able to sort them out. Not saying for a moment that is record isn't blemish free but he has done well at certain clubs, including our own.
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There needs to be some kind of flow chart to see what kind of fan you are.
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What you've done their is reel off a list of Motherwell strikers simply because you don't like Sutton. Sutton scored more goals in one season than a lot of those guys Motherwell careers combined. Spencer? Who ripped the club off and didn't try a leg for a whole season on massive wages? Falconer? Actually quite a similar style player to Sutton but with less goals or club longevity? Blackman? Lehman? Goodman? Really? Might as well throw in Stevie Cowan, Bart Verheul and Mario Dorner in there, if that's what you really think.
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Remember also that McGhee brought through our last two really good youth products - Jamie Murphy and Shaun Hutchinson.
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Given that literally only a handful of players, arguably our greatest ever players (St. John, Pettigrew, Quinn, Deans, Humphries), have scored more goals than him in a Motherwell shirt in the post war era I'd suggest your ability to judge players isn't what it could be.
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To be fair he's been kept out the side by maybe the player of the season so far, Steven MacLean. Since we've not managed to score two goals in a league game this season I don't think we should be crowing about our tremendous goal scoring ability and forward options.
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This was a great football that I will always remember. No OF agenda, nothing particularly at stake but I think that almost makes it better. When I'm on my death bed this is probably the Motherwell game I will remember. Check out John Clark booting Dougie Arnott off the ground after the penalty award, wouldn't get away with that these days!
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Because we hardly made any attempt to get out our own half, played with a 'get a 0-0' mind set even after we were 1-0 down and constantly gave the ball away. It ended 0-1 but Ripley did not have to pull off 5 or 6 great saves. He didn't even have to pull off 3 or 4. Celtic passed the ball around but we made it easy for them by giving them 70% of the pitch to play in. 2nd half when we played a bit better, Celtic looked pretty ordinary.
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I think the only time was a long time ago at Ibrox, might have been the cup replay after the infamous Stevie Woods gaff. I took my seat and had two coppers standing in front of me completely blocking my view. I assumed they'd move eventually but didn't. After a while I asked them nicely if they'd move because I couldn't see anything and got the usual arrogant response that you seem to get from police every time you interact from them. Then things got a bit heated and I lost my temper after being spoken to in such away after a pretty innocuous request. Think I just ended up leaving cos we were getting gubbed and I couldn't even see anything.
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Just out of interest who in that Celtic team do you think played well? Gordon had nothing to do, the back four looked suspect at the merest hint of pressure (unfortunately thats all we could manage), Commons looked overweight and unfit, Armstrong was never in the match, I didn't think Rogic had a good match and Biton went off injured. That leaves you with Brown, who played well and Ciftci who took his chance. Far from a great Celtic team I'd suggest. Even if you look at their recent form, they lost to Aberdeen, drew with Hearts and scraped a narrow win over Hamilton. Yesterday they only managed to beat a poor Motherwell side 1-0 and didn't do much in the 2nd half. You are right to say they were a class above us but I think the point is, they shouldn't have been.
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Lasley had 49 league starts over McGhee's two seasons. Was in there most weeks.
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Celtic put out probably the worst back four they've had in 20 years and what do we do, play the full first half in our own box with Louis Laing as a midfielder. Poor, poor stuff. I could just about see the point of it at 0-0 but as soon as we went 0-1 down it should have been changed, to not do it then, or even at half time was utterly baffling. How many Old Firm results have we had were Keith Lasley wasn't a huge part of it? To leave him out today was a strange move. Injury or being rested? Celtic dominated but I didn't think they were really that good today. For me they were there for the taking and yet there seemed to be a paucity of ambition to actually do anything other than get a 0-0. Tactically we got it wrong but the level of basic technique shown by the players today was abysmal. Can't pass, no movement, no pace, scared to put a foot in, no determination. Unfortunately I think a lot of the players that have been brought in over the last couple of seasons just aren't good enough for this level of football.
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There were more than 7 or 8 players in the squad left by McGhee as already stated, the 7 or 8 mentioned were simply first choice players more or less a year down the line from McGhee's departure. I never said anything about sustaining a season with the pool of players left. All I've done is direct you to the fact, yes, fact, that McGhee did not leave us with "nothing". What he left us with was about 70%-75% of a successful first team and a bunch of talented young players on the sidelines. The quality of player lost after McGhee's stint as manager was perhaps higher than normal but the actual rebuilding job that was required afterwards wasn't especially notable in terms of numbers. For instance it pales into insignificance compared with last summer. But this is all getting a bit tedious now, so let's leave it here. The facts speak for themselves.
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McGhee isn't my messiah. I already said that he wouldn't have been my pick and listed the reasons why. However I will support him as a new manager coming in with an important job to do. Also if you are going to quote someone better put a reference cos I can write McGhee said "[insert anything you like]" if its not actually based on a verifiable quote. Thirdly if McGhee said that he was wrong. If you take, say, the side that famously drew 6-6 with Hibernian on the second last match of the season 7 of the starting 11 were at the club when McGhee left (Hammell, Craigan, Reynolds, Sutton, Murphy, O'Brien, Saunders). Lasley would have made it 8 if not for injury. So getting back to the original point - that McGhee left us with "nothing", your word, I think you will find you are plainly wrong.
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In his 'bad' season we had a run of 13 games with 1 defeat. Don't see many parallels with Baraclough.
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You said he left us with nothing. Actually he left us with the core of a team that had season upon season of relative success. Good try though. Actually he left is with a squad of about 15 first team players plus cash for the new manager to spend.
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He left us with Steven Hammell, Mark Reynolds, Stephen Craigan, John Sutton, Keith Lasley, Jamie Murphy, Jim O'Brien among others and gave debuts the previous season to youth team players like Shaun Hutchinson, Paul Slane, Bob McHugh and Steven Saunders. Talk about re-writing history.
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Has appeared on telly = media whore. Turned down Hearts to stay at Motherwell = no loyalty. No shame = the supporters that sung absolutely disgraceful abuse at McGhee at Aberdeen. Terrible appointment = speculative guess based on having knickers in twist He'll be off before they get his training top printed = contracted to 2017 Cunt of the highest order = hopefully less Stegosaurus, more wins
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Really? I remember him turning down a job at a much bigger club and staying at Motherwell for a 2nd season when he could have been offski. Was that not a degree of loyalty? As for the "tatters" what he actually left was a club with more cash in the bank that we'll probably ever have again.
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I have some reservations. First of all McGhee's managerial record since leaving Fir Park is pretty poor. Secondly I think the appointment could be seen as a rather 'dull' one, seeing as he has already been here before and might not energize the support like perhaps a completely new manager would have done. Thirdly, there is a section of our support, and I disagree with them on this, that will have the knives out for McGhee from the very beginning due to the circumstances that he left us last time. However he ticks most of the boxes you'd have been looking for. Knows Scottish football. Experienced. Has a bit of a managerial aura around him. Has a track record of taking a down and out Motherwell and turning them round. But whether you like the appointment or not, Motherwell FC cannot afford another failed manager or a St.Mirren style demise could easily be on the cards. We need him to succeed and hopefully he will.
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You'd hope we would have someone in by Monday. No idea who it will be, doesn't seem to be any firm information coming out. Personally I think we will end up with another relatively unknown.