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No, cause Accies already have more points than they got that season (14pts).

I'll bet you anything that McCall comes out and says that was a good performance. One nil down after two minutes, fought hard, in the game for the 90 etc, etc.

9th from 10 on 27 pts (34pts under current scoring). 13 points clear of bottom club Hamilton Accies.

We've nearly played 11 matches and all totals are adjusted to 3 points for a win.

Since there was f**k all going on in the match... 2014/15 after 11 matches - 7 pts 2013/14 after 11 matches - 19 pts 2012/13 after 11 matches - 16 pts 2011/12 after 11 matches - 22 pts 2010/11 after 11 matches - 19 pts 2009/10 after 11 matches - 17 pts 2008/09 after 11 matches - 16 pts 2007/08 after 11 matches - 16 pts 2006/07 after 11 matches - 10 pts 2005/06 after 11 matches - 14 pts 2004/05 after 11 matches - 14 pts 2003/04 after 11 matches - 18 pts 2002/03 after 11 matches - 9 pts 2001/02 after 11 matches - 10 pts 2000/01 after 11 matches - 11 pts 1999/00 after 11 matches - 16 pts 1998/99 after 11 matches - 12 pts 1997/98 after 11 matches - 8 pts 1996/97 after 11 matches - 11 pts 1995/96 after 11 matches - 10 pts 1994/95 after 11 matches - 20 pts 1993/94 after 11 matches - 19 pts 1992/93 after 11 matches - 9 pts 1991/92 after 11 matches - 13 pts 1990/91 after 11 matches - 11 pts 1989/90 after 11 matches - 14 pts 1988/89 after 11 matches - 5 pts 1987/88 after 11 matches - 11 pts 1986/87 after 11 matches - 8 pts As it stands this is the second worst start to the season since we were promoted to the Premier League in 1985/86 and the worst start in 26 years.

Aberdeen's away record is mixed but they have been pretty strong at home since Dundee United beat them on the first day of the season, 8 matches, 6 wins, a draw and a narrow defeat to Real Sociedad. If I was a betting man, I'd be putting my cash on the home team for this one.

We had a hell of a lot of draws in that run at a time when a win was still only worth 2 points. We also never got demolished in any game like we have over the last few weeks and the league was still full of very strong Dundee Utd, Aberdeen and Hearts sides, never mind the OF. Comparing then with now doesn't really seem to be comparing like with like but if you must.

We remember all too well. What I don't remember is going to see Motherwell 7 times home and away and seeing 7 pathetic defeats in a row. What I don't remember is Motherwell being completely shite 12 matches out of 13 at the beginning of a season. When you go back to the early days we had been a yo yo team and had to establish ourselves in a good leagues against strong teams while trying to balance the books. Later we had poor seasons like the one after the cup win or under Malpas but we started those seasons OK and had points on the board when it all went pear shaped. When we went into admin we were very poor at times and wildly inconsistant but we had good young players coming through and they sprinkled the season with some incredible results. This season has been unrelenting shite from start to present which is bad enough but its not even about that, it's about the actual future of the club being at stake if we are relegated. McCall will get more time but he needs to start turning it round soon or we simply cannot afford to risk sticking by him. If it comes down to a relegation battle I'd take McLean over McCall every time.

Twardzik has been without doubt our best and most consistant player this season and our goal difference would be off the scale without the saves he has made. For instance Dundee would have been 4-0 up at half time if it wasn't for Twardzik at the weekend. Bringing in a keeper who lacked confidence and was prone to blunders when we were playing better football than we are now doesn't seem the wisest move. However to be honest if we defend like we have been doing over the last couple of matches we could put both of them in goals and it wouldn't make much difference.

At least under McLean we'd be a lot better organized. You could more or less guarantee we would have a professional shape. McLean was also a strong believer of building a team on a defence and our defensive displays, especially in the last month of so have been dreadful. He would surely improve us there. It's funny though that you say McLean wouldn't be in touch/up to date, when McCall plays an out of date form of football every week. Only two teams in the SPL played a 4-4-2 last weekend, Aberdeen and Motherwell. Take a look at the results 0-3 and 1-3 defeats against 4-2-3-1 teams. 4-2-3-1 is virtually standard now across European football but not at Fir Park.

Actually managers got a lot more stick before Steelmen Online. Instead of battering out their frustrations on a keyboard fans shouted it down the managers ear or gathered in front of the main stand to sing "get to fuck" after a match. McCall has had nothing like the abuse Alex McLeish got(and he finished 2nd in a much stronger league) or Billy Davies. The response has actually been quite tepid in the 'real world'. I heard an old yin leaving the stadium on Saturday saying "they're no worth booing". As for McLean, the season after the cup win was an absolute shocker, especially our home results (October to May = 15 home matches, 3 wins, 10 defeats, only 1 home win all season after Jan 1st) and fans were quite right to protest.

You are stretching a bit to turn some of these into positives. Right now any scenario where Ross County, St. Mirren or both pick up points is bad for us since we don't look like picking any up.

We don't have enough professional teams to have an 18 team league. It's just about possible for the 'Premier' tier but a team that got relegated to the second tier would probably have to go part time because the 'big' teams in the lower league would be the likes of Cowdenbeath and Alloa, it would more or less all be sub 1,000 attendance level teams. Taking a look at it outwith the Top 18 teams in Scotland at present there are only 5 teams with average attendances of over 1,000 - Alloa, Livingston, Dunfermline, Morton and Ayr Utd and only two of them are significantly over the 1,000 mark - Dunfermline and Livingston. That's just not enough to support professional level football in the second tier.

I accept everything you say here but there is also other factors that must be taken into consideration. First of all McCall has achieved these records in an all time low standard top flight. The records still stand of course but the quality of team we have been playing over the last few years has been very low and when you consider that last season we huffed and puffed to quite a few undeserved victories and had various colossal slices of luck in the last 3 or 4 matches of the season to achieve second it doesn't make it look quite so good. The city clubs over the last few years have been a complete shambles, Rangers, Hearts, Hibs, all flirting with disaster. Even the 'improved' Aberdeen and Dundee Utd of last season and this season have been very inconsistent. Ask yourself what great, or even good, sides did we beat to achieve those positions in the league and that answer was none. McCall inherited a pretty good team that really picked its self and when we have been at our best I think the influence of McCall has actually been minimal. Any Motherwell fan could have picked the team certainly two seasons ago when we played our best football and went through the season with few injuries. When McCall has actually had decisions to make things haven't quite gone as well. He may have man management skills but it's a lot easier to man management when the team is winning and everyone is happy. Recently he's come across as quite tetchy and although its not confirmed it looks as if he has lost some of the players. I'm sure he gives 100% every day but I'm more concerned about ability over effort. At the end of the day his record is there for all to be seen but I feel like things have gone quite stale this season and a change is required anyway, even if we get out of the relegation mire. Not many managers are at clubs for 5 seasons these days and I think modern football demands a turnaround so that fresh ideas and contacts can come into a club. In the current crisis I think McCall's record should give him a little bit more time to turn things around although looking at the performances of the team I don't think he will be able to do it. Give him perhaps until December, then I'm afraid the consequences of relegation overshadow McCall's past achievements and he will have to go. Even if we do climb the league I think McCall and the club should part company at the end of the season. Currently our average home attendance is 4,047. It could be that come the end of the season it's down in the 3,000 thousands if performances don't pick up. Economics will play a bit part in this. If we lose against Dundee Utd and Celtic the home attendances could collapse at a time when the club desperately needs money.

He's 28 and we're lucky if we have one player in the squad per season that has sell on value. He's probably a fairly cheap player in wages, he's always put in a shift and can play in a number of positions. I'd play him at right back in front of Ramsden who looks done since he came back from injury and I'd play him at left back before Angol.

I thought he started reasonably well but he's as bad as the rest of them now. Just shows you what having your confidence mauled every week does to you.

We have been very poor but Aberdeen are going through a bad spell as well. The thing that worries me though is so were Partick and Dundee and they dispossed of us fairly easily. However if we get the first goal I think we'll have a chance. Aberdeen are really no great shakes. If we concede first though I can't see us getting anything but another defeat. I don't think we'll get 'beasted' but I think Aberdeen will be the bookies favourites.

On loan till Feb 2015 Henrik Ojamaa Out of contract summer 2015 Iain Vigurs John Sutton Paul Lawson Lionel Ainsworth Simon Ramsden Stuart Carswell Fraser Kerr Zaine Francis-Angol Gunnar Nielsen Bob McHugh Adam Cummins Josh Law Ross Stewart Out of contract summer 2016 Stephen McManus Keith Lasley Stevie Hammell Craig Reid Dan Twardzik Craig Moore Jack Leitch Not on public record Lee Erwin

Would the manager slate him like that if he was playing through an injury? If so I don't think that's good management.

Wee bit of public criticism of McManus from McCall. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29680578

Cos that is when other teams take their foot off the pedal and start coasting.

Now been to 9 matches home and away this season. Stjarnan (H) D 2-2 St.Mirren (H) W 1-0 Inverness (H) L 0-2 Kilmarnock (A) L 0-2 St.Johnstone (H) L 0-1 Hamilton (A) L 0-0 lost on pens Hamilton (H) L 0-4 Partick (A) L 1-3 Dundee (H) L 1-3 7 defeats in a row for me. Next two matches will be Dundee Utd and Celtic. Fuck.

I keep saying it but the last two good players to come through our youth system - Jamie Murphy and Shaun Hutchinson were Mark McGhee era players. It's just not good enough especially for a club that has to sell to survive.

I don't think us not getting relegation will have much to do with whether McCall wants it on his CV or not.

Ojamaa, Vigurs and Twardzik get pass marks. Kerr did OK when he came on. I'd give the MotM to Ojamaa.