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Robinson almost has the same league record as manager as Ian Barraclough Barraclough P32 W10 D5 L17 Robinson P33 W11 D5 L17

Kipre was more to blame for the second goal than Hammell was at the third.

Love this calendar angle. It's 92 days since we won a home match but that doesn't matter a jot how many days it was. Leagues are decided on points. 5 points isn't massive if you can actually win games but we can't. As it stands it might as well be a 100 points. We've played 11 league matches, since the 28th October, and won 1, drawn 2 and lost 8. That's close to a third of the season's matches. Oh, and two of those draws were secured with an OG and a penalty in matches we could have played all night and not scored from open play. If we fail to beat Ross County in the next league match our next two league matches are away to Hibs and Hearts so it could easily be 13 or 14 league matches with 1 win. If you think that's fine, great, good on you, but as far as I'm concerned Robinson has to win the next two matches or his position is open to serious question. Plenty managers have been fired for less, including three in this division, this season, because we are currently on the worst run of any team in the division.

Some months you play 2, 3 or 4 matches. This month we've played 7, lost 6 and were lucky not to lose the other one. Where's the line? 1 win in 10, 1 win in 15, 1 win in 20? Or does Robinson have to have 5 bad months in a season before your calendar based system kicks in?

True but if you are looking to plan for the future, form has to play a part in the projection. And it's not as if we are roughly equivalent to other teams at the bottom of the form table, we are miles behind. Partick Thistle have picked up twice as many points as us over the last 10 games and they are third bottom. Our form is frankly catastrophic. Motherwell now are on the worst run of any team in the division this season. We probably need about 17 points to achieve safety in the league, on current form we would require more than 30 matches to get those points. It's bad. Oh, and we've lost to Ross County, Kilmarnock, Partick Thistle, Hamilton and scrapped a draw at home to Dundee thanks to a penalty. If you're not concerned I salute your indefatigability.

Losing Moult is a huge blow but Robinson has brought in Fisher as cover and it's just not worked at all. Plan B doesn't seem to figure with Robinson at all. Cadden for me has been poor under Robinson and if you ask me, all of Cadden's really good play for Motherwell was in McGhee teams. His initial 10 -15 games in the side and then the beginning of last season up until his injury. I'm not saying Cadden is the worst player in the team or anything like that but in my opinion he's not really done it in Robinson teams and certainly hasn't matched his personal best. Secondly, Robinson got the job done last season but to say he 'saved' us is a bit much. When he took over we were 10th and with three matches to play we were 11th. If Hamilton Accies hadn't gone into free fall in the bottom six matches (lost 4, won 1), we would probably have been in the play offs. He won 4 out of his 12 matches and lost 3 out 5 in the bottom 6. He got the job done, fair enough, but it wasn't great.

I thought he was just being honest. First of all he at least recognised that Allan Campbell is the guy that brings the team together and gives us shape and a bit of drive. I wish he'd recognised that for the Final and I wish he'd recognised that over this terrible run when he's had Campbell in and out of the team but at least he's seen it today. As for misfiring forwards and not winning second balls what is he supposed to say? It's apparent to everyone and he'd said anything else you'd be having a go at him for being delusional. I think the word 'perceived' was important in the other point. They are perceived ball players, ie, are supposed to be but aren't and that's been there for everyone to see over the last few weeks. So we are stuck with Robinson's retrogressive style. Robinson is right to say the success came with 'his' style of football but I think the reasons are deeper than just a style. Louis Moult was a huge part of it, and as I've said elsewhere we were a bit lucky in some matches (particular the two home wins against Ross County and Kilmarnock) and had a run of winnable home matches so I don't think even with players coming back from injury and him being able to play the side he really wants to will actually be the answer. It's an interview where he's basically spelt out what hes all about and you can run with it or not.

When one of your better players is doing stuff like this it don't look good. You can forgive in game mistakes but that reaction is ridiculous. He's let the team down big time.

I'm told that it's normal practice for football manager contracts to have a clause that they can be cancelled by paying out 6 months or 8 months pay. We probably wouldn't have to pay out 4 years, unless we fucked the contract up as well.

A manager who got us to a Scottish Cup Final and guided us to multiple 2nd and 3rd league finishes in the league was forced out after a run that was only 1 point worse than the current run over 11 matches. If Robinson was fired tomorrow I don't think he could have much to complain about. Should he be fired? There's a decision to be made and sometimes you have to be ruthless. Personally I'd give it a couple more games but if we lost the next two I don't think he'd have a leg to stand on. The problem with that is the January transfer window coming before those matches complicates the whole decision.

Agenda? We are bottom of the form table and the team in 10th has TWICE as many points as us. We haven't won at Fir Park since September. We've lost 6 consecutive away league matches. We have 1 clean sheet in our last 11 matches. I'm afraid there's a problem and it's a fact that we are on one of our worst runs this decade.

First half I thought we were alright and we were maybe a little bit unfortunate with the penalty decision, didn't get a good view of it so I couldn't say either way so I'll wait till I've seen highlights. For me though the turning point in the match came a few minutes later - Allan Campbell going off. From the point on we were absolutely gash. There was no shape and no impetus to our play at all. The midfield structure went to pieces. We basically became a complete and utter shambles in the 2nd half, everything smacked of desperation and when Accies goal went in from a terrible mistake from Hartley (also through Carsons legs) you could see every head go down. You would have bet your house on a 3-1 win to Accies at that point. Our substitutes contributed absolutely nothing again and yet again you are looking at a couple of players carrying the rest. 5 points from 33 is just not good enough and no excuse covers it. Big questions over this team and their manager now. Accies in the cup is a must win. Ross County in the league is a must win. This CANNOT go on.

Maybe today will be Fisher's day. It's come to this!

He'll be on at half time to wave.

This. Ross MacLean is coming up to 21 years now and he really needs to be getting more game time. I've gone on at length about the lack of exposure our young players get so I won't bore everyone again but when the club is repeatedly tossing money at diddy squad players I really don't understand the thinking behind it. I think the whole concept of U20s football has had a bad influence on our football. Players should be playing at first team level at 18 or 19. By the time players step up from U20s football its far too late.

I would be sad to see Hamilton relegated (or us!). These games bring a bit more needle to them than most of the matches we play in a season. For me there is more at stake in a typical Motherwell v Hamilton match than there is when we play St. Johnstone or Ross County. I think it's a good thing that these next two games, which are huge in the context of our season, are against Accies. If nothing else the emotions will be stirred and that's what the game is really about.

Actually really looking forward to this game. Will be gutted if its canceled. An orange ball, trackies under shorts, players wearing trainers, mounds of snow at the side of the pitch, frozen toes, steaming bovrils....

Disagree that the best solution is for the game to not take place, we need to get this run finished ASAP, we don't want it hanging around for another month over everyones head going into the cup match. Just get out there and fucking perform. Making excuses only validates the lack of confidence and negativity. Go out there. Win. Prove everyone wrong. That's the only way the run ends. If we are waiting for some hero to turn up from Torquay United in January to turn everything round for us then we might as well just pack it in. Probably right though about the pavements.

I think if Kipre going in January secured Hartley for a couple of seasons you'd take it and say thank you very much.

Worst league runs since 2010. 13/08/2014 - 31/10/2014 - 4 points from 11 matches [0.36 per match] - McCall 11, league position 11th 01/01/2015 - 13/03/2015 - 5 points from 11 matches [0.45 per match] - Barraclough 11, league position 11th 28/10/2017 - ??/??/?? - 5 points from 10 matches [0.5 per match] - Robinson 10, league position 8th 13/11/2010 - 12/02/2011 - 6 points from 12 matches [0.5 per match] - Craig Brown 2, Gordon Young 7, Stuart McCall 3, league position 8th 04/02/2017 - 08/04/2017 - 5 points from 10 matches [0.5 per match] - McGhee 4, Robinson 6, league position 11th

The first I knew about Tommy Coyne was when he ran out the tunnel. I seem to remember it being a midweek game under the lights. "Wait is that....holy shit that's Tommy Coyne!" Imagine we all went along on Saturday and Leigh Griffiths ran out the tunnel in a Motherwell shirt without any warning. That's what it was like. Ha ha, a funny memory.

Luminous yellow strips and a phone call to Willie Falconer and we are sorted.

I've generally not had a go at Robinson because I think any Motherwell manager has a very tough job but it's getting to the stage in the season now where patterns and trends are developed enough to have something approaching a clear picture. Currently two of the worst ever passers of a football I've ever seen at Fir Park go straight into our first XI every single week, Dunne and McHugh. As you say, that's on Robinson. It's also on Robinson that one of our better players this season, Allan Campbell, is dropped in favour of guys who, as an aggregate over the season, have done absolutely fuck all. That's on Robinson as well. The whole recent goalkeeper situation was frankly a complete embarrassment and a true example of incompetence. And the rushing back of injured players has backfired enormously and smacks of desperation and a complete lack of ideas. At the beginning of the season many people were far too hasty to heap praise on Robinson and likewise now that things have turned we need to avoid overly severe knee jerk reactions. My main gripe is still that we have a squad of players who are paid by the supporter base but don't actually do a whole lot, ride the coat tails of better players and don't have the character to step up in a crisis. However, ultimately Robinson brought a lot of these players here, especially fringe players who have proved next to useless, and he is picking guys that just don't perform for him each and every week. Blind spots and loyalty have been the downfall of many a manager. For example Robinson's recent assessment of Carl McHugh in a post match interview was quite frankly staggeringly misconceived. I'm afraid the edges are beginning to fray with our manager. He needs to have a real hard look at himself and perhaps consider dragging himself into a top league, 21st century football mentality. The Watford in Division 2 in the 1980's stuff doesn't work any more. Even if it did you're no Graeme Taylor. Right now I'm still prepared to persevere with Robinson and put the slump on the backs of under performing players. However over the course runs like the one we are on now come down to tactical literacy and managerial ability. The fulcrum is moving in the wrong direction for him and he needs to halt it now.

He had an absolutely incredible season but I doubt very much if Higdon at his best would have outscored Moult over the past couple of seasons in this team. That's not to take away from Higdon's achievements but he played in one of our better teams of the last 30 years or so and.....eh.....Moult hasn't to put it lightly.

That must be including league cup matches against diddy teams because we have 8 league scorers. To be honest that's not hugely abnormal against the league average but it does contrast with teams like, say, Aberdeen, who have 16 different league goal scorers, or Hamilton, who have 15 different league goal scorers. However there is a form of insurance there. Maybe Hamilton have 13 points out the last 10 matches to our 5 because they aren't dependent on one guy to score for them....