Kmcalpin

Thats exactly my take. Maybe the Ox isn"t quite there yet.

I don't disagree, in the main. The problem is that we have quite a few players still under contract for next season. We don't yet know how well MW can wheel and deal. The defence needs to be a priority as its shipping goals. Our midfield set up too has been a major element in that too.

A good post from WellDel on P & B that pretty much sums up my thoughts. "Both Killie and Hearts have a physicality that, based on yesterday, we will not be up to competing with. It's up to Wimmer to come up with a game plan to make us competitive from what we have available, as when it comes down to a battle we're severely lacking. It'll be an even tougher task if Gordon is out following his early departure yesterday. He's no Baresi, but the type of no-nonsense defender you need in these sort of games, because Balmer simply won't do."

So we move on to Rugby Park next week and yet another hard very physical game in prospect on a shocking surface. Both sides suffered heavy defeats yesterday; so which one will pick themselves up. I'd settle for a draw right now.

I won't argue with that. Our defence needs a virtually complete overhaul; our goals against tally makes that crystal clear. That said, we also need to stiffen the defensive midfield - Jordan McGhee maybe?

We should be, but I doubt if we will. Kilmarnock will have taken heart from watching how St Mirren and now Aberdeen physically bullied us. Killie are a hard physical side whereas we have a soft centre. I can't see us taking any/many more points before the split but even at that I think we'll be able to hold onto 8th place. I'm not overly fussed who finishes 11th and 12th so long as its not us. MW publicly aired a few home truths after today's game. We'll see how the players react to that next week.

Great result from Dundee. That maintains our cushion over the bottom two. It also takes pressure off us needing to take anything from the Kilmarnock game, although a point would be most welcome.

Thats pretty much it for me. I didn't quite get all the hype about today's game but a £10 entrance was, for many, a huge attraction and a chance to visit Pittodrie. All today's results went the way I thought they would, and its a game less for St Johnstone to catch up. If Dundee get beaten later, then I'll be happy. We were never going to make top 6 and it we can retain 8th spot before the split I'll be delighted; it'll be tough though. Our line up was limited with only Armstrong being a striker and not a goalscorer at that. Manwhanise, of course wouldn't be fully recovered from his travels. Michael Wimmer will need time to rectify Kettlewell's personnel mistakes as you say, and today's game turned out, in the end, to be an excellent opportunity to assess our weaknesses. Today will be an invaluable lesson for him in his quest to bring in new faces in the summer. Surely defdnce must be a priority? Short term pain long term gain as the saying goes. For me, finishing 10th this season will be job done. Anything better than that is a bonus.

That'll do nicely Callum. The BBC won't be pleased though.

Given Maswhanise's international travels, I doubt if we'll see much of him today.

This should set the alarm bells ringing at SFA HQ, but won't. This is our next generation of talent, so my expectations for the full international side over the next decade are zero.

I agree with most of what you usually say Joe, but not over this. That said, I would not have started Miller for the reasons you state ie. too much at stake. However at some point late on in the game, we could debate the precise time, when it was clear to all and sundry that we weren't going to win or even draw the tie. Miller should have been introduced and given his first cap. Just 5 or 10 minutes. His first chance to play for the full team, play at a Hampden international, get used to the international stage, whatever. The lad could have beee told something along the lines of "The ties lost, just go out and savour the occasion." However that opportunity was missed due to a safety first risk averse manager. Thats one of the reasons we haven't progressed at international level for decades and won't do so for years to come. Our youths are being mismanaged.

Will Manwhanise be fit enough? Surely Steve Seddon must be nearing fitness too.

There would have been no harm whatsoever in bringing on Lennon Miller with a few minutes to go. By that time the tie was well and truly lost. Give him his first cap. That kind of attitude is what is holding our international team back.

Oh, much worse than ours. Much worse. As an entity, not individually of course, they lack humour and moan from start to finish. Going back as far as 1981, I recall them whacking us 6-1 at Tannadice in the Cup and the boos ringing out from the terraces. Its not often that happens at Fir Park. I also recall Jon Daly scoring for them against us at Tannadice and rather than cheer the goal they booed the ref for missing a "foul". Again our lot don't tend to do that. Apologies, I digress.

Irrespective of which half United end up in, their fans will be moaning and grizzling.

I think that's a pretty fair reflection of their attributes. No doubt SOD'S extension resulted from his appearance based option kicking in.

If Hearts or Dundee United fail, then our main rivals for a top 6 place are St Mirren. Its going to be very tight, and might go down to the wire.

Should the club or Society issue a short statement to correct the record?

I had this game down as draw several weeks ago. St Mirren played exactly how we thought they would and perhaps our tactics weren't suited to counteracting them. MW will be learning all the time and he will be thinking about yesterday. Despite our long injury list there were still 2 surprise additional omissions yesterday in the form of Armstrong and Manwhanise, either one of whom might have made a positive difference. The media will be more than happy to take Robinson's opinion as fact. Thats the way it is for 88% of our senior clubs.

Yes, they need to be called out, but there's no chance of the media doing that, especially if St Mirren are involved

A point is a point.

Game on. Slattery v St Mirren. Will they allow him to see the game out?

Maybe MW didn't know what to expect from St Mirren. They're just doing what they're good at.

Seems like it now.