Kmcalpin

By signing on for an extra month, he'll earn 4 weeks or so of wages, he wouldn't have otherwise received plus, I suspect, a slice of the UEFA payment. A win win situation.

How do we know that Liam Kelly has signed on until after the Euros? I've seen references to this but can't find the official source. How much is it worth? Presumably we'll split any monies received with Kelly himself.

A nice guy by all accounts. Good luck to him. I wonder where he's heded to next? Another defensive vacancy and that provides some clarity.

I've just had another look at the survey and I really do think the results will be of very limited use indeed and perhaps even be misleading. A few examples: Many of the multi option questions are inadvertently worded so as to be not mutually exclusive eg disabilities. There isn't any question on where the participant lives or their postcode sector (I know we have to be careful about data protection issues). If the club wants to know how fans travel to home games then its essential to relate their answers to where they live, or at least their distance from Fir Park. The question on catering: are the food options tasty? They might well be but a fan might not like them. For example, I know that a spicy food will be tasty but I don't like/can't take spicy foods. Availability of parking: will those who don't drive know? Does this only relate to club parking or does it relate to general street parking as well? The idea of the survey is good but I think its needs to be changed and relaunched. There's little to be gained from expending a lot of time and effort to lift results and draw conclusions from unreliabale data.

Well said. I just don't get this recent communication release. This particular one irritated me no end. The timing is terrible as you say.

A lot of older folk do struggle with online transactions. However, if clubs are going down this inevitable road then they have to make it easier for folk to complete their purchases. We have cases of scanners not working properly. There's also no excuse for clumsy confusing sites.... are you reading this Livingston FC?

100% agree. I began filing in the questions but then gave up. A missed opportunity from the club to gain some much needed information. My biggest grouse was the single option questions. Also there should have been "don't know/have an opinion" options. It was also a bit woke and to some extent a box ticking exercise. I found the ethnic question impossible to answer as there was no option to simply tick British, although there were other Britsh options. - and thats not making a political point, its true in my case. I simply don't understand why religion was included as we've always been a non denominational club and I hope we stay that way. A poorly put together survey, I'm sorry to say.

OK Texan. I hold my hands up - missed that mate. 😉

Your memory is excellent. Thats exactly what happened in 1969. If I recall rightly, Montrose were leading 1-0 and Joe was moved forward and bagged a hat trick. I think Chemical Tom scored the other?

I didn't say that we needed the details, why should we be given them? All I was saying was that without details its very hard for fans to come to an informed view.

Not necessarily. We don't know the details. It could be that St Mirren saw him as a squad player, whereas we see see him as a starter. Who knows? I wouldn't read much into this.

Some logic to that certainly. Irrespective of changes to the squad, we do need a degree of continuity and stability. Many of you will recall the consequences of Ally MacLeod's sweeping changes and how they worked out. However, whats the alternative? Renew contracts of existing players, bring in slightly better new faces to ensure we have a squad and then mutual the contracts of some players we've just re-signed? There will always be an element of risk but its about balancing that.

This is where I'm at. I just don't get re-signing the all of the same players or offering them renewal deals, given last year's serious defensive problems. It wasn't all down to Liam Kelly, who also seems to have been offered a new deal, for whatever reason. Coaching didn't seem to work either. Are we going to sign a new defensive midfielder? Now, I get that its early in the close season and the transfer window is yet to open but it all seems a bit weird to me. No doubt time will tell.

That suggests to me, that we weren't in for him at all. Agood Championship level player, his best days might possibly be past him at 30 years of age.

Does that mean then, that McGinn, who has just signed a 2 year deal too, gets bumped?

Thats it in a nutshell. Good post. The football world moves on but we don't.

The cause of uncertainty on your part is down to my use of loose terminology, for which I apologise. I agree 100% about not living beyond our means. The status quo, if you like, is not radically increasing our expenditure AND income (it must be in balance of course). Football is a cutthroat, competitive business and our ability to finish 10th in the league, is not just dependent on what we do but is also dependent on what our close rivals do. If they increase their spending, recklessly or otherwise, then that makes it harder for us to finish 10th, or stand still if you like. More clubs of a similar size to us are spending more cash, whether they have it or not. We're starting to see other clubs up their spending too eg Raith Rovers. Clubs like Dunfermline and Falkirk will also be looking on closely. So, in short, if we want to spend more, just to stand still (mid table football is probably the best we can aspire to as StAndrew7 rightly points out) then we have to increase our income or investment, but only in a prudent manner. Basically, what Jim McMahon and Derek Weir have said. My understanding is that the external investment proposal is not "transformational" so lets put that to bed. In that regard, I'm not writing off the "volunteers" of the Society Board until I see what they can conjure up in terms of their proposal. In short, to me the status quo is doing nothing diferent to what we're doing at the moment i.e. using the same model and not seeking to increase "investment" in the club. . I hope that answers your question.

As mentioned on P&B it's a good draw from a football perspective starting with possibly our easiest game. Not so good from a fans' view as it is midweek. I've been lucky enough to visit Links Park once in 1968-69 and intend to visit it again in July. I really hope as many of our supporters can do so too, as I know many are desperate to make the journey.

Is Partick's away game at Fir Park being televised?

No surprise that we've signed Nicholson permanently. As Bobbybingo says it'll be interesting what a good pre-season does for him. He sems to have a bit of skill and knows where the goals are. Quite happy with this news. I still think we need an out and out defensive midfielder though.

Maybe I've missed something but I'm unsure what we, as fans, Society members or shareholders, are going to get. I appreciate that these groups are not mutually exclusive and these groups will be consulted with in slightly different ways. However, I fall into all 3 categories, as will many of you. Are we going to receive the Society's proposal, irrespective of whether or not the external proposal is finalised? One thing is for sure, the status quo is now no longer an option. Maybe its just me, but I now detect a very slight shifting of opinion away from the "we might just have to accept our lot and we end up where we end up in the leagues" view.

I don't know about this particular case, but if we don't attract some additional investment from some source then this will become increasingly common. The likes of Ross County and St Johnstone and maybe even Dunfermline and Falkirk will be pipping us to signing targets.

No doubt some behind the scenes negotiaions took place about the option. Having said that, we've been short on the coaching side for a while now so there would have been a vacancy. He seems a decent sort, so good luck to him.

It will be very interesting and telling when we discover where he ends up. He might just have a very "proactive" agent. Raith's playing budget has been hiked and some in Fife say they are copying the Falkirk of all those years ago. Time will tell.

Absolutely. The window isn't even open yet, but we do need some additions fairly quickly, given our lack of numbers. Hopefully too the future of of our ooc players will be settled soon. We don't want that dragging on ad nauseum. Set a reasonable deadline and stick to it.