David

Have you ever watched a cup draw? It's quite literally a lottery.

The determining factor in such a situation would be multiple clubs wanting the player. Then, it turns into a bit of a bidding war, but if we have interest from one club and they offer what they're offering, then that's what he's worth in the market. We can only ask for more money if we think a club is willing to pay it. They can easily say "no thanks, we'll go elsewhere" and then we get nothing.

It's mainly because bigger clubs see a player do well with us, but there's always that doubt they can make the step up. There's a whole bunch of factors that go into it I think.

Ah, okay. So you not only want a top six finish as a minimum requirement, but also a cup run. A cup run, as others have said, is a bit of a lottery. We can't really rely on that as a minimum target. Just the same as we can't rely on a top six finish as a minimum requirement.

If we get a decent offer, such as the ones being mentioned, and he's open to moving, then it's pretty much a done deal. We're in the business of selling players for profit. It's then on the club to find the next guy we can utilise for a season or so and move on.

Dundee United, while insanely managed at the moment, are a big Scottish club with a top six budget I'd reckon. They should be up there or thereabouts most seasons.

And I wouldn't think Kilmarnock or St Mirren should be placing a "top six as a bare minimum" condition on their manager either. For me, the following clubs in Scotland are the ones who should be setting a "top six minimum" condition on their managers: Hearts Hibs Aberdeen Dundee United The likes of us, Kilmarnock, St Mirren, Dundee etc should be aiming for top six absolutely, and especially if any of those clubs falter, which often happens, but it should not be considered a "bare minimum."

Along with a decline in the quality of the defence in general that's playing in front of him.

No, any club that sets a top-six finish as a "bare minimum" when, like it or not, we're operating on a bottom-six budget will continue to fall short of those demands fairly often and see the manager and coaching team constantly changed, which does nothing to help us progress. That said, "bare minimum" doesn't mean the manager is invincible—far from it. What it means is that we're not speculating with our financial outlay, and we're making sure that if the bare minimum is what we accomplish, we won't be facing financial ruin. In the previous five years, we've finished in the top six two times, which is a 40% success rate, so we're doing not too badly. And to think that 40% was attained by two managers who the usual suspects on here lambasted during their time at the club.

The club has made it perfectly clear that it budgets for 10th and a bit of a cup run, but in no way aims for 10th place as a target. However, while we should certainly be aiming for top six, to claim top six should be "the absolute minimum" isn't very realistic. And saying that we should stop "pleading poverty" is a bit off. We're not "pleading poverty," we're being realistic. We are where we are financially, and deciding that top six "at minimum" is our target won't change that. We aim for top six every season. That should not change. But if we start laying that down as a bare minimum to our manager then we'd be chopping and changing every second season or so. By your thinking we should be looking at sacking Kettlewell this summer on the back of an unsuccessful season?

The thing is, the mindset of a professional player is never that they're not good enough to be 1st choice. Kelly will go there with the belief that while signed as second choice, he has what it takes to be first choice. I'm not saying that will happen, but he'll likely not have the mentality of "go there, sit about and make some cash."

I mean, is he any worse than Bain? He's been Celtic's backup for quite some time now.

This isn't a debate. It's you being told that you can post whatever opinions you like, just like everyone else, but if you keep using the tone and patter you've been using in the past you'll end up running into problems. You've already had a warning previously. Screw the nut and be respectful when posting your opinions, simple as that.

Again, people are free to post the opinion they wish. As long as they do so without belittling others and making out that their opinion is all that matters. And likewise, others are free to debate those opinions. That's what it's all about, after all. In a few weeks, we'll have nothing to discuss except rumours and innuendo, so we may as well get used to it!

No, he's perfectly entitled to disagree with people's opinions on potential signings, but he doesn't need to be telling people that their opinions don't matter. Their opinions are just as valid as his. Look at the post below yours. Cameron disagrees with Hanlon as a signing and manages to convey that without acting like a knob about it. He can't expect his opinion or approach to be respected when he's showing so little of it in return.

I didn't think Theo Bair would enhance our squad, so maybe the "computer football" is a good shout! Seriously though, you don't have to agree with players that other members suggest, but don't be a prick. No one likes a prick.

100% agree. I can understand the players version sporting the sponsor, but having me stoat around Wishaw main street with their name on my chest isn't going to garner the company more business.

If this is us when we win 4-1 against the bottom of the table side, can you imagine the sheer anger and frustration if we ever won a cup or something again? This place would be unbearable.

Well, "wee Dougie" has spoken, everyone. Guess we should all just log out and come back when next season kicks off. Back to the "computer football" it is.

No one is telling you how to support the club. You can go along to games and moan like fuck in your seat if you like. But what people can do, on this forum at least, is call you out on your nonsense. As I've said before, you have the right to be negative on here as much as you like, so long as you don't break any forum rules. But just as equally, others have the right to call you on that so long as they don't break the rules. It really is that simple.

It depends on what Bournemouth would be willing to pay him, as he'd then find himself still playing football in Scotland close to family for a while, but on much higher wages than we could ever give him. Or Hibs could ever give him either, I'd reckon.

Can't complain or moan about the players or manager due to the sizeable win, so have to settle for the next best thing. Moan about the fans 😂

Abuse, constant or otherwise, shouldn't be condoned. Of course, we shouldn't expect fans to just sit there and applaud politely. It's an emotional sport, and fans make it what it is, but there's a line that shouldn't be crossed, and for me, that line is asking myself, "Would I be happy to see a 19- or 20-year-old in my family treated that way by an adult?" Basically, if it's something someone would get into trouble for saying outside the confines of a football stadium, or something they wouldn't say to another guy in a different setting, it probably shouldn't be said at all. Voice frustration, anger, elation, whatever. But buying a ticket for a game doesn't come with the right to be a tosspot. Luckily, most people aren't like that. But the few who are should be ejected from stadiums and told to spend their weekends doing something else.

100% It's a chance for usually grown adult men to act in a manner they never would be allowed to outside a stadium. I think it's more a reflection on them than anything else.

Last time I checked teams don't get relegated on their managers win percentage. Points and league placings are what matter, and we're currently sitting 9th. And we're closer to 8th than 10th. That's a good job. Not a great job, but a good job, with room for improvement.