Big Stall

Clearly abuse is not appropriate but neither SK, Caldwell, the 'well society and the majority of the press have acknowledged the underlieing problem and the fact that it was becoming a major issue with or without abuse! The form, the stats, the preparation, the abysmal lack of fight and the continual inability to learn lessons, adapt and change is the real problem. SK with his what would seem apparant lack of self awareness has chosen to ignore these issues and tell us all he is gone because some roasters have shouted at him. While said roasters are clearly in the wrong, the fact that the abuse would appear to be the main reason and not these other factors would seem very convenient. For me, while its not an ideal way to end things, his tenure had run its course. He couldnt fix the problems and we move on.

Going to sound like MJC but..... we are getting royally scudded here and the narrative in the press will be careful what you wish for!

Was he getting abuse? Probably Is that appropriate if we get down to brass tacks for a workplace in 2025? Of course not Is it part and parcel of the job and happens to any football manager at any club on a horrific run throwing up horrific performances week on week? Of course and thats not going to change. Now we dont know the level of it, hopefully it was just plenty 'get tae fucks' and nothing more sinister. What has been clear for sometime is that he is really feeling the pressure. He has run out of answers on the pitch and its come to a head. Im guessing if he was in a better space the abuse would wash over him. At the end of the day, the product on the pitch has been poor and the bit thats done it for him is that it & results have been getting worse the last couple of months. Yes he has been hamstrung by injuries but his selections and tactics have done him no favours. I and plenty others wantef him to do well but it just became impossible to keep supporting him. Thanks for the efforts Stuart, best of luck in the future but it was probably best for all concerned to part ways.

Sadly thats correct. Would have been good though if Scotty said yesterday...... ok stuart youv explained your frustration at the two errors at the end losing us the game, can we talk about the 3 shots on target, one of which was the penalty & how can we expect to win games with so little attacking intent??

Spends most of the interview talking about defensive lapses & folk worrying about getting injured. Completley skips over the 3 shots we had on target & the brutal possession stats. Heres some non football manager advice Einstein...... if we dont attack & shoot then we are very unlikely to win games!

Regardless he will be fine because there will be at least two posters on here defending him to the end...... And still saying GA got a raw deal

No lessons learned. Keep offering the ball to the opposition, dont put them under any pressure then wonder why we are struggling. I am usually in the happy clapper camp but this cant go on. If we were trying to have a go, trying something different and getting beat then that might be justifiable..... but we are not. He is not learning anything!

Time up. Zero lessons learnt!

That interview on radio scotland just now a shambles..... i'll do what i always do which is work a rediculous number of hours a week for this club.... Wee violin stuart. Lots of us work tons of hours. We had a bad performance last week & we will try to rectify it.... Good but the issue is not 1 bad performance, its the volume of them this season. And how many times have we had to sit and listen to you say that exact same thing but yet you keep sending us out the same way He's clearly feeling the pressure here. Wouldnt surprise me if the players have been letting him know its not working

Totally agree with that but surely you have enough self awareness to flip that statement and see that you very much come across as someone who cant see him doing anything wrong? - which incidentally is no better or worse than his staunchest critics. This is a fans discussion board. Everyones opinion is valid.

For me, neither league position or the poor run of results would affect the majority of the support. What has however provoked the reaction is the dire set ups week in week out. Very little attempt to change whats clearly not working. Not even threatning the opposition. The manner of play & the bad results is what is going to spell the end for kettlewell

Its not good where we are ranked & we get stuffed off crap teams however i doubt theres a motherwell fan alive (including MJC) who didnt love Nancy! But that was in part due to the novelty of europe, time in the wilderness & facing a decent team within an easy travel. Anyway, more importantly, away to the worst team in the league, take a big support & muster 1 shot on target. That is unforgivable and worse still, sadly predictable. Kettlewell & the players all need to take a hard look at themselves. The boos were clear. If Kettlewell doesnt change the approach fast, we need to change him out

Im sure we dont activley do it, but we certainly do not go out to enforce our game on the opposition & make chances to win. You mention the old firm & if you take Rangers, this is the head scratching example. Semi final, Rangers were in dire straights leading up to that game & low on confidence. We deliberatley sat back & allowed them to dictate. Countless examples of Seddon getting to half way line with acres of space infront of him to progress forward but he would stop & play a diagonal ball. A clear instruction. We then followed up with similarly toothless displays against Ross C & Hibs. Contrast that with the December game against Rangers where we set out to do damage & managed to carry it off. Last 15 mins v Kilmarnock at Fir Park, down to 10 men we hsve a go & look as dynamic as we have done all season. Its astonishing that we clearly have players with enough guile to take the game to our opponents yet our manager is happy to keep them shakled. Iv said it before, he shouldnt get sacked but he is not learning from his mistakes.

And how about when we appear to make no effort to actually try and win the game? Which is a little different from entertaining but linked

For me the issue is that our players blatantly can play better attacking football. We see it time & again in the last 20 minutes of games or when kettlewell has an epithany & sends the team out to have a go - see game v rangers & the night game v dundee utd. The problem is that he then reverts back to ultra defensive with hoofball thrown in. If thats all we were capable of then that may be acceptable, but we can see its not

Fucksake

Dont forget, all the boys are desperate to make ammends.... Then go out, get a win & then back to shite the next week

Or against 10 men a few days ago

Craigan is shocked its 0-0. Says Killie running over the top of us & we are offering nothing. To be honest, despite our league position, we have all seen that movie many times this season

Im hopeful we wont need to worry about playoffs but given how tight the league is & there is only 1 team cut off, & some teams with deeper pockets are below us. I do think the usual points totals are going to be off this season. Ideally get to 40 as soon as possible and take it from there.....

I wouldnt want rid of him, hes a young manager and he's doing fine. Is he setting the heather alight? No, but if he was he wouldnt last long. It would however be good to see him learn from mistakes and note just how poor & toothless we are when he sets us up defensivley

Took a while to get going but we were pretty good first half. Should have scored a couple before we did. Casey i think missed a sitter of a header & someone took the ball out of hallidays feet before he was about to smash it from 8 yards. 2 great finishes & fat tony did what he does by niggling & goading that red card. Superb stuff. The rest of the first half we passed it about in complete control. Fuck knows what happened 2nd half. The ball was a hot potato that our guys just panicked anytime they touched it. We really missed Miller not being able to take the sting out it & play a few passes. Aberdeen looked the team with 11 men. Three points, clean sheet, great stuff but by god we made hard work of that 2nd half

Take the game to Rangers and look good..... come up against a misfiring Hearts team & play the sitting back tactics which served us well against Hibs, County & semi final. Said it before, our problem is kettlewell doesnt learn from mistakes

Given we have turned up in quite a few games recently with zero intention of putting the opposition under pressure (Ross County, Hibs & semi final spring to mind) then absolutley nobody should be surprised when we try something similar away at celtic. Kettlewell has done a decent job. We are doing fine. But...... he is learning nothing from his mistakes

When the £8mill story broke i was 'pleasantly surprised'. To be fair wasnt sure how justifiable it was. Iv sat down the last few matches to try & watch him objectivley. Hes only 18, has a cracking football brain, set pieces already on point & he is a big laddie. He will be a monster in a few years. The big stand out for me however is if you watch him, the amount of his passes that hit the target are head & shoulders above the rest of the team. If Mika Biereth were in this team this season, the damage we could do with them both being on a similar wavelength would have been fun to watch