punk_in_drublic

Well done McCall and others. Oh and Aberdeen got beat GIRUY

In fact, they can't go second bottom tonight. Shite.

Hopefully they will get pumped tonight and go second bottom.

The 8 - 0 humping MJC predicted just never looked like materialising.

Makes you realise how much dog shit folk talk at times.

I love big John. One could say I have a stauner for him.

Those agent quotes sound so much like Hammerfist: "I guarantee all Stockport supporters this kid will bang in a great number of goals"

Keep Fitzpatrick, as many have said before me, for the role he has i.e. useful squad player, we aint going to get much better for much cheaper. No opinion on the other two to be honest.

I might have had half a bottle of smirnoff, but it never took a genius to figure that this was a nonsense.

What the fuck is happening? All these bags dropping hints, just spill the fucking beans it's chritmas

Very very sad really sorry to hear this news.

Can't get bigger names than them!

Paul McCartney

Coma? It's obviously Ariel Sharon

So, so far we have deduced to things: 1. Football is too expensive in Scotland. 2. Rangers and Celtic absorb too much support from the nation (and other nations) overall. I would say these are two real points, is there anymore substantiated things that people can think of, as i think these two are definates but there will be more. People are debating whether the product is still as good, but it seems like their are split opinions on that. Some people are saying its easy to sit in a watch it now, so culturally its different, i think that might be point 3.

I dont think it is that simple. If you summate the total number of people attending football matches in Scotland and divide it through by the population you will get a performance metric. If you do the same in England you will get the English equivalent. You might find that these are similar therefore if that was the case you cant put it down solely to cost. If the ground capacity, not average attendances of all 13 senior London teams are summated and averaged out over the population of London, the percentage of the population that could be fitted into all the 13 senior stadia is 4.06%. Now if we take Rangers crowd as 50,000 and Celtics are 60,000 (which apparently they get each weekend) and divide it through by Glasgows urban population, you find that the amount of people actually going to these two stadiums is 6.29% of the population. This shows that people are paying to go to matches, it shows that even if all of Londons top 13 teams stadiums were full to the brim each week (which they are not) they still have a lower percentage of people attending per head of population that Rangers and Celtic actually get. So is the problem we have too many team? Is the problem that too many peole over the country are Rangers and Celtic fans? Is the problem that outside Rangers and Celtic the other teams serve up crap which people arent willing to pay? There is a larger problem that people arent willing to pay the cash. I think that definately is one of the reasons, but its not the sole reason. I think Scotland has far too many football teams for its size to be a commercial power. As an example, look at Fife, its population (as a council area) is 361, 900. Its senior teams are Dunfermline, Raith Rovers, Codenbeath and East Fife. The area is also near Dundee and Falkirk so you will potentially get folk from Fife supporting Dundee Utd, Dundee or Falkirk. In England there are 92 teams in the EPL, Championship, EFL1 and EFL2, and the country has a population of 51,466,000 so thats 559,195 people per club. In Scotland their are 42 teams in the senior leagues with a populatin of 5,194,000 which gives 123,666 people per club. There just isnt the population to sustain the number of teams.

I think the facts are their are too many teams as others have pointed out. Here are some other facts. The following is for the first two tiers of Scottish Football only. Town Population Rangers 580690 Celtic 580690 Hearts 477660 ICT 56660 Kilmarnock 44734 Motherwell 30312 Dundee Utd 142070 St. Johnstone 44820 Hibernian 477660 St. Mirren 74000 Hamilton 48546 Aberdeen 213810 Dunfermline 46430 Dundee 142070 Raith Rovers 48630 Falkirk 34071 QoS 43009 Cowdenbeath 11640 Ross County 5026 Partick 580690 Morton 45467 Stirling 33710 If this data is sorted to show the team with the smallest town population it reads: Town Population Rangers 580690 Celtic 580690 Partick 580690 Hearts 477660 Hibernian 477660 Aberdeen 213810 Dundee Utd 142070 Dundee 142070 St. Mirren 74000 ICT 56660 Raith Rovers 48630 Hamilton 48546 Dunfermline 46430 Morton 45467 St. Johnstone 44820 Kilmarnock 44734 QoS 43009 Falkirk 34071 Stirling 33710 Motherwell 30312 Cowdenbeath 11640 Ross County 5026 So we are third smallest out of the top two leauges, which is really surprising. But you could argue that the surrounding area should also be included therefore looking at it from a county view it would be as follows: County Poulation Rangers 584200 Celtic 584200 Partick 584200 Hearts 471700 Hibernian 471700 Dunfermline 361900 Raith Rovers 361900 Cowdenbeath 361900 Motherwell 325500 Hamilton 310100 ICT 220490 Ross County 220490 Aberdeen 210400 St. Mirren 169800 Falkirk 151800 QoS 148600 St. Johnstone 144200 Dundee Utd 142500 Dundee 142500 Kilmarnock 119900 Stirling 88400 Morton 80800 So in terms of county we are sitting about 9th. But although there are loads of tiny teams with poor supports, you could argue that they have a right to exist as they have been established for so long, so looking at established dates the top two leagues would be as follows. Team Established ICT 1994 Stirling 1945 Ross County 1929 QoS 1919 Dundee Utd 1909 Aberdeen 1903 Dundee 1893 Celtic 1888 Motherwell 1886 Dunfermline 1885 St. Johnstone 1884 Raith Rovers 1883 Cowdenbeath 1881 St. Mirren 1877 Falkirk 1876 Partick 1876 Hibernian 1875 Hearts 1874 Hamilton 1874 Morton 1874 Rangers 1873 Kilmarnock 1869 This is obviously only the top two leagues, however you could do the same for the SFL 2, 3 Juniors East, Juniors West and Highland leagues, it would be interesting to see the results. I really believe that teams need to merge but how can you do that. If you look at London, it has a popultation of 8 million people. If you look at the top 4 leagues in England, EPL, Championship, EFL 1, 2 then you will find their are 13 London based teams. This highlights our problem in terms of attendances.

I've waited for a wee while to see what names would be thrown up. I must admit, its a struggle to pick anyone as they are all pretty uninspiratinonal. Out of the ones mentioned so far i would say Derek McInnes, however he is with a club so probably no chance. Plus i would feel bad at poaching someone elses manager as it aint a nice feeling.

Absolutely hilarious!

Ha 5 - 0 ya bas. As I mentioned before Aberdeen are shite and that's a fact. Brown aint no Jesus Christ, that team are shite because they don't have talent. Nothing will please me more than to see those rotten bans get relegated

I like this one.

I think Tam has spoken for us all with his eloquent and sharp tongue. GIRFUY Brown. You sound like Nick Clegg in those quotes.

Correct Jay. I had a couple of Dons supporting team mates in my amateur team, they made this very claim, heralded the new era, and the returning messiah Mark McGhee. That turned out well. The fact is they still sit joint bottom on ten points. They have yet to gain anything tangible in the relegation battle, lets see how many Hearts put by the c**ts today.

I was waiting for someone to appreciate that