steelboy

good point. it works out at roughly 280 adults paying in per spl game

if celtic lose 5% of the current £16m prize fund that represents less than 2% of the their total turnover. that is in no way a leveler. changing the income split is worth pursuing on the grounds of fairness but the impacts it would have on clubs and competitiveness would be minimal. i think espn will chuck their subscription channel when the current epl tv deal ends. surely their business model won't be viable when the majority of their subscribers walk away?

if rangers are booted out sky can renegotiate the deal. that's a potential big black hole for us. i think the patg cost could go up by a pound or two. if the figures are correct patg punters contributed less than 50 grand over 19 league fixtures, that's shocking and should put an end to any arguments about season ticket holders getting preferential treatment. that to me is one revenue stream with potential to improve. at the very least we should be looking to milk the upcoming champions league game for at it's worth.

a fairer distribution in revenue would result in 1st place losing 5%, 2nd place losing 4% and other placings get bumped up by 0.9% or everyone getting 8.3%. last season the first option would have seen us gain £160,000 and the second option would see us losing around the same amount. neither of these changes would have a huge effect on our budget and be completely insignificant if the prize fund was reduced by 40% or 50%. i'm quite shocked that pay at the gate motherwell fans only contributed £87,500 in ticket revenue over the season and that's including three patg cup games where season ticket holders paid in. we should consider putting the prices up. it's quite shocking to read the letter stating that administration is a possibility and i don't expect any more signings this summer. we're fucked and anyone who thinks income split or more motherwell fans coming to games is going to get us out of this needs a reality check. it looks like we're going to need to get our money out again.

for me seeing the society coming into action and giving fans a direct input into the decision making of the club is much more important than which way the vote ends up going. it's been a great day for mfc.

are you being serious?

a great decision from the board. hopefully now no matter what happens with the vote we can all go forward and focus on the future of motherwell fc. forgetting about newcos and share transfer i'm delighted to see the society up and functioning and taking responsibility on an important issue. this is the way forward for us as a club and a support.

there is no chance hearts, aberdeen and probably even hibs would go for splitting gate money, especially if rangers aren't in the league. also we currently have a situation where paying a membership fee gets you a reduction on your season ticket. how would that be factored into any division? i think you would see clubs selling memberships for big bucks and season tickets for buttons.

the charter has generally been more expensive than going it alone. i think most of them have been around £400-£500.

i agree. i suspect they want to hold onto the unfair division more as a status symbol than for financial reasons. i'm just saying that whatever changes they make to the way prize money is divvied up it isn't likely to make the league any more competitive. however that isn't a reason not to go for a fair settlement.

what ideas do people have for a fairer distribution of tv money? the only thing you can really do is take 9% out of the top two places and spread it out between 3-11. it's easy to design a fairer system but i'd say it's impossible to design a distribution of tv that would have any noticable effect on the game as a whole.

peterborough isn't a bad move for him.

i'm half hoping it'll be in inverness as it's more convienent for train times and takes away some of their home advantage. anyone know when the tv times will be announced? it looks like the tims will be the early kick off and there will be just one game on the sunday but you never know.

what about the bits that are outright lies? charlie left celtic before gazza signed for rangers.

yes because they applied to the east of scotland as a new entity. if rangers sfa membership is transferred to the newco it'll be the same club. if the sfa refuse to transfer the membership and the newco has to apply for a new membership they won't be the same club.

i think they still have the players at the moment.

livingston didn't go bust, gretna resigned from the league and airdrie united went into div 2.

ages ago we were debating about what actually constitutes a football club. i still think that association membership is thing that counts so as long as you keep continuous membership then you're the same club.

they do exist. they are still sfa members and still hold an spl share.

legally the company operates the football club. they aren't the same thing. from court of session document

they only owe money to his bank as far as i'm aware. no one else is crazy enough to lend to them. the real figure of what he has spent on hearts is nearer £40m but he has wrote a lot of it off already. you can't transfer debt to a newco, that would definitely be illegal. right now vlad has all the debt and complete control of the club. there is no advantage for him in them going into admin.

none of that makes any sense.

mad vlad basically owes himself £25 million. for them to do a rangers he would be bumping his own bank. not happening.

and how many of them owe out as much money as we do in the next 12 months?

where is this?