Well-Made Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Looks like Fraser Wishart may have something to say about that. Seems he's right pissed off that "his" members are getting treated badly as it is and most are on, what he is calling, term time salaries. That and full time footballers are getting part time pay. Mr Wishart's thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Why is that? Our season never goes beyond May but we still pay them holiday pay even though they might not be returning. One item on the agenda for the first Members meeting Surely it's an annual contract and as such they are paid monthly regardless of whether the season is over or not. I wouldn't imagine holiday pay is terminology used in the contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 The problem is that there are too many full-time professional footballers now. Guys that should be nowhere near making a living from the game, who are. Used to be the case that only the best players had a hope of getting taken on as a professional, and even then a lot of the best ones didn't make it, but these days it's comparatively easy to get some kind of contract somewhere and it's saturated the game with shite footballers taking professional wages from clubs. THATS why theres a load of footballers on the scrapheap...it's not solely because clubs are cutting back....it's because they have entered a profession in which they aren't good enough to be required, so when cuts are made, they are the first to struggle to find work. Clubs don't have money to waste on "filler". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 I'd be interested to see the 'average wage' Wishart is talking about and how many hours it takes for his members to earn what the people on the terrace/seats earn.The big problem in this country now is the amount of clubs compared to the amount of people willing to pay to watch them and too many clubs using tv money to pay inflated wages instead of some kind of performance related pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 The problem is that there are too many full-time professional footballers now. Guys that should be nowhere near making a living from the game, who are. Used to be the case that only the best players had a hope of getting taken on as a professional, and even then a lot of the best ones didn't make it, but these days it's comparatively easy to get some kind of contract somewhere and it's saturated the game with shite footballers taking professional wages from clubs. THATS why theres a load of footballers on the scrapheap...it's not solely because clubs are cutting back....it's because they have entered a profession in which they aren't good enough to be required, so when cuts are made, they are the first to struggle to find work. Clubs don't have money to waste on "filler". That's almost 100% wrong Al. There are less professionals now than at any time in the past. Numbers have been reducing year on year. There's an argumebt there in terms of quality although I don't buy that entirely either however in terms of numbers you're just plain old incorrect. We done away with a reserve league so that teams could reduce numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prideoflanarkshire Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 What about Rory McAllister (prob been brought up before) He's on a free, from Brechin, so not to high a wage, worth a punt to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prideoflanarkshire Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Would have to say I'd take mostly anyone on this list..... http://www.premierleague.com/staticFiles/14/79/0,,12306~162068,00.pdf I also think we should have a real push for Cody McDonald on loan as he has a great record and maybe paul could do us (and Norwich) a favour by sending him to us on loan. It has worked for may other EPL (lesser) players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 What about Rory McAllister (prob been brought up before) He's on a free, from Brechin, so not to high a wage, worth a punt to me Good shout. If he isn't on the radar of most SPL clubs right now then I don't know what is happening. Good goalscoring record last year AND he is an apprentice plumber. Got to come in handy over those difficult November to January months! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prideoflanarkshire Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 he is an apprentice plumber. Got to come in handy over those difficult November to January months! Sign him up now!!! (Can he cut grass to) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tottenmfc Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Was McAllister not supposed to be signing for Peterhead? Something about him being better off doing that part-time and having his other (plumber?) job than he would be going full-time with someone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 He's looking for a fair wedge, as far as I understood because he makes a pure mint as a plumber. I thought he'd signed for Peterhead but apparently not: BBC Story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Made Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 He's also in his last year of his plumbers apprenticeship and still has exams to take before he's qualified. So if he's ever go to full time, then now's the best time to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 He was supposedly very close to signing for Peterhead. It appears he has had a change of heart about going FT. Doubt he will be on our radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils40yarder Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 he's playing at his level, kicking about with Brechin and Peterhead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 That's almost 100% wrong Al. There are less professionals now than at any time in the past. Numbers have been reducing year on year. There's an argumebt there in terms of quality although I don't buy that entirely either however in terms of numbers you're just plain old incorrect. We done away with a reserve league so that teams could reduce numbers Typed my last post in a reasonable hurry, but just to clarify im referring more to quality across the game, rather than squad numbers. There are too many guys in the SPL who are picking up a wage as a professional footballer, who in terms of ability should be nowhere near doing so. As clubs cut back financially...these guys are the first to suffer as they have nothing to make them desirable. I'd expect every single SPL club (possibly outside the Old Firm), has season ticket holders that are better footballers than at least a couple of their first team squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motherwell89 Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 I'd expect every single SPL club (possibly outside the Old Firm), has season ticket holders that are better footballers than at least a couple of their first team squad. ayeee right.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 What about Rory McAllister (prob been brought up before) He's on a free, from Brechin, so not to high a wage, worth a punt to me he was apparently getting £600p/w part time while raking it in from his plumming. Faddy was released i heard........................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 ayeee right.... Really? You don't think theres guys sitting in the stand at St Mirren park who earn mnimum wage in a normal day job, who are better than a bunch of guys that were with Cowdenbeath last season but are now earning an SPL wage? That's a waste of money for guys that just arent good enough at the game to justify it. You seriously think there's season ticket holders at Caledonian Stadium that dream of being as good as Ross Tokely? Did you SEE Jerel Ifil while he was playing for Aberdeen and probably picking up about 3 grand a week? The game is riddled with Kerry Katona syndrome. People picking up a decent wage who in an alternative reality would be working in Tesco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 I thought Birmingham had the option to extend his contract by two years, thus entitling them to a transfer fee should anyone pursue him. If he ends up at Celtic, I'll spew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 The story I heard about McFadden was that Birmingham were unwilling to take up the wages on the option on his contract, so have released him, but are negotiating on a new, lower waged, contract. On the 'better players in the stands' chat, I dunno about you, but any time I've ever played fives or elevens or whatever with folk who have been trained properly, you can tell immediately, because you canna get near them. That could just be because I'm brutal though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rambunctious Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 I'd expect every single SPL club (possibly outside the Old Firm), has season ticket holders that are better footballers than at least a couple of their first team squad. You are mental mate. I know a couple of blokes who if you seen them playing fives or having a kickabout down the park you'd think they were absolutely amazing and possibly wonder why they weren't pros. Closest any of them got to playing professional football was half a season playing reserve football with cowdenbeath. Every player playing for an SPL club is a helluva lot better than you must think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bop Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 I'd say Al is spot on, one of our mates is a cracking player and has been offered trials at a professional club (where he'd walk into the first team in my opinion) but never pursued it because he has a good job with the council and doesent want to take the risk of quitting that only to find himself on the scrap heap a year on two down the line with no job and no real savings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Where did I mention 5's? Anyone can look decent playing 5-a-side. My dad's a decent 5's player still...and he's 57. If you want to go down that route though then the flipside of that is James Fowler of Killie. Don't know if he still does but he used to play regularly with his mates in a weekly league at Forthbank Astro...didn't look like he shouldn't be there, yet is coming up for a testimonial with an SPL club. It's more to do with the scouting network in this country being very poor for the most part, what the scouts are looking for in a young player etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StipeIsGod Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 I'd expect every single SPL club (possibly outside the Old Firm), has season ticket holders that are better footballers than at least a couple of their first team squad. Interesting point, and I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
something else Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Fatcalf would walk into any SPL club but loves his job too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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