el-pidge Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 Simple question really. The rules and regulations on it seem to change so often that I'm lost Have we qualified?/ How do we qualify? does it go to 5th in the league if celtic win the cup?... does it matter whether celtic win the league?... what round would we go in at if we won the cup etc etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaag Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 The only way we can qualify is by either of the following: A. We win the cup B. We lose the cup but Celtic win the league They are the ONLY two variables that will see us Europe next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 C) We finish 4th and Rangers win the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Craig Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 I thought that if Celtic win the league and the cup, we go through as cup runners up. But "When the Well, go up to lift the Scottish Cup... ", We'll qualify as Scottish Cup Winners 2010 - 2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaag Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 C) We finish 4th and Rangers win the league. very true but I can't see that happening with an 8 point gap and 5 games to play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaag Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 The only way we can qualify is by either of the following: A. We win the cup B. We lose the cup but Celtic win the league They are the ONLY two variables that will see us Europe next season I thought that if Celtic win the league and the cup, we go through as cup runners up. But "When the Well, go up to lift the Scottish Cup... ", We'll qualify as Scottish Cup Winners 2010 - 2011 Is that not what i said? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Craig Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 Is that not what i said? Aye Gaag, but I was too busy fannying about with the emoticons and you got in there before me! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bop Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 If we were to make it, does anyone have any idea of the dates for the first games we'd play? My work is horrible for getting holidays, i'd really need to put them in asap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadywellToi Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 If we were to make it, does anyone have any idea of the dates for the first games we'd play? My work is horrible for getting holidays, i'd really need to put them in asap. Courtesy of Wikipedia "Scotland (SCO): Motherwell play Celtic in the Scottish Cup final. If Motherwell win the Scottish Cup, they will enter at the 3rd Qualifying round, however if they lose, they get the lowest available place in the Europa League, which is in the 2nd Qualifying round currently reserved for the 3rd place team in the Scottish Premier League. Celtic are guaranteed finishing either 1st or 2nd in the League, therefore if Celtic win the cup, the CW spot will not be needed and will be given to the 3rd placed team in the League instead." So we win, same entry stage as Aalesund last year, if we lose and Celtic win the league, we enter at Breidablik stage. As for the dates, I guess they will probably be much the same as last summer give or take (we played our first game against Breidablik on Thursday, 15 July). However there is talk the SPL will start 2-3 weeks earlier than this season, however I don't know if that has been rubber stamped yet or planned for 2012-13. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeToonWellFan Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 Courtesy of Wikipedia "Scotland (SCO): Motherwell play Celtic in the Scottish Cup final. If Motherwell win the Scottish Cup, they will enter at the 3rd Qualifying round, however if they lose, they get the lowest available place in the Europa League, which is in the 2nd Qualifying round currently reserved for the 3rd place team in the Scottish Premier League. Celtic are guaranteed finishing either 1st or 2nd in the League, therefore if Celtic win the cup, the CW spot will not be needed and will be given to the 3rd placed team in the League instead." So we win, same entry stage as Aalesund last year, if we lose and Celtic win the league, we enter at Breidablik stage. As for the dates, I guess they will probably be much the same as last summer give or take (we played our first game against Breidablik on Thursday, 15 July). However there is talk the SPL will start 2-3 weeks earlier than this season, however I don't know if that has been rubber stamped yet or planned for 2012-13. See reading the bit in bold, that sounds as if we are in Europe regardless. The only thing that seems to be up for grabs is whether we go in the 2nd Qualifying Round (If we lose the cup) or the 3rd (if we win). It doesn't say that Celtic either need to win or lose the league. Or am I totally missing the point there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browni Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 That's what I read into it as well, especially when the heading for the section that contains that quote is "The following teams have qualified, but their starting round is not yet certain:" Bert's site is normally more trustworthy than Wikipedia though and it only has Rangers & Celtic as having qualified so far http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/qual2011.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fal_Dosser Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Does it hinge on the number of Champions League places Scotland have ? - if 1st & 2nd go into the CL, then I would have thought we are in the Europa Cup. I've a feeling the coefficient dropped though, and only the Scottish league winners qualify for the CL, which screws up the above, so Smellic need to win the league, or we need to get up the table pronto. My understanding of it anyway, which could well be utter tosh MON RA DOSSERS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperCC Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Yes - if we still had two champions league spots then we would already have qualified but because we have only the one this year - due to the fact that we are the only team that makes an effort in Europe and all the others get pumped in their first match - it is as gaag says earlier! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-pidge Posted April 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Come our last spl game this season we could be in the ugly position of (say it quietly) gifting Celtic the title for our own benefit. I would much rather win the cup of course. I'm getting tired of always being in Europe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daver Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Come our last spl game this season we could be in the ugly position of (say it quietly) gifting Celtic the title for our own benefit. I prefer to look on it as resting our players for the cup final, possibly all of them if needs be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Come our last spl game this season we could be in the ugly position of (say it quietly) gifting Celtic the title for our own benefit. Regardless of whether Celtic need to win or not, I'd be surprised to see McCall field a team any stronger (and possibly weaker) than the one he played against Hearts prior to our semi-final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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