Well Up For It! Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Speaking to a fellow 'Well fan teh other day about Hammell (as mentioned in the Greatest LB thread), we both agreed that the fact Hammell has only got 1cap (a B cap as well I think) is shocking. Especially when you consider the likes of Lee Wallace, Robbie Neilson, Paul Dixon, Danny Fox, Stephen Crainey, etc all getting caps while he'd been arguably one of the most steady and consistent performers in the SPL! Â However, he ain't the only one. I always bring up Brian Martin in this chat! A excellent CB and should have been given a chance for Scotland. He constently put the shackles on the tops guns of the Old Firm and was outstanding in the air. Corrigan at his peak as well merrited a call up? Joe Wark and Pettigrew (think he got one cap while at 'Well) A case for Phil O'Donnell too? And then you have the likes of McAllister, Lambert, McClair, McCulloch, McFadden, etc who never got international honours till after they left Motherwell (which maybe branches into another debate!) Â Anyway, whats the thoughts on 'Well players who should have been capped/capped more? Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnstone Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Martyn Corrigan - in his prime was the best right back in the country. Â A case could also be made for Steven Hammell - probably one of the most consistent SPL players in the last 5-10 years, but hardly a sniff at the Scotland setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well 4 Europe Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 And then you have the likes of McAllister, Lambert, McClair, McCulloch, McFadden, etc who never got international honours till after they left Motherwell (which maybe branches into another debate!) Â Not sure about the rest but Faddy definitely got capped for Scotland whilst at Motherwell, a number of times if memory serves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 I don't think McLair and McAllister were quite ready for a cap during their time at Fir Park, and there were a number of fans (not me) who'd claim McCulloch shouldn't even have been in our first team, far less the international squad   Wullie P and Joe Wark at their peak should have won many more caps, and Keith McRae could have if he hadn't moved south.  Lambert and Martin were also definitely worth a shout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Ally Maxwell, Chris McCart, Rab McKinnon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC'd Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Faddy was indeed capped a handful of times as a Motherwell player, including the infamous trip to Hong Kong. Â However, he only scored his first International goal (in the drubbing of the Faroes, at Parkhead IIRC) about a week/fortnight after signing for Everton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Was that game at Parkhead not a different campaign? I remember him coming off the bench in Dortmund while still with us and he went on to score against the Dutch a few months later, can't remeber if he scored before that. Â McCart was capped if IIRC, midweek friendly springs to mind. Â Was Martin never capped? I remember him being in a squad and there is the story of him wearing his Scotland shirt to Euro 96. Â McKinnon is probably the best I've seen that never made it into the Scotland setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils40yarder Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Was that game at Parkhead not a different campaign? I remember him coming off the bench in Dortmund while still with us and he went on to score against the Dutch a few months later, can't remeber if he scored before that.  McCart was capped if IIRC, midweek friendly springs to mind.  Was Martin never capped? I remember him being in a squad and there is the story of him wearing his Scotland shirt to Euro 96.  McKinnon is probably the best I've seen that never made it into the Scotland setup.  He scored against the Faroes on teh Saturday before the Dortmund match on the Wednesday  ....and Im pretty sufre that Lambert, Martin and McKinnon were all involved in a Scotland squad together whilst all at Motherwell, possibly on a tour of the far-east???  edit to add; if I a remember correctly McCart was only capped at B level against Wales and scored twice in a 1-1 draw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 He scored against the Faroes on teh Saturday before the Dortmund match on the Wednesday  ....and Im pretty sufre that Lambert, Martin and McKinnon were all involved in a Scotland squad together whilst all at Motherwell, possibly on a tour of the far-east???  You are correct. All were picked and played in Scotland's 1995 Kirin Cup "campaign".  Brian Martin and Paul Lambert both played in both matches.  While McKinnon played in the Japan game. McKinnon received all his three caps as a Motherwell player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee jo Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Chris McCart was an unused sub at Pittodrie against the Swiss the night Phil made his debut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1991 Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Dougie Arnott, he could have done the job for Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-in-Oz Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 The problem is Motherwell get internationalists after they have passed their best & well past being an international pick. We also have youngsters who we sell on before they are ready for the international set up. And then we have the likes of Martin & McKinnon who are considered shite coz they play for Motherwell. These 2 boys would have had a lot more caps had they played for Hibs or Utd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 pettigrew should have got a crap load of caps. He was the best goalscorer around at his time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Of course, part of the stigma may be that Motherwell had 3 players in the Scotland team that got beat 9 - 3 by England in 1961 McCann, St John and Quinn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Nah, it was just the mindset at the time. You typically had to play in England or for the OF before you were deemed worthy of a cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggischomper Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Of course, we had guys like Coyne and Coyle getting caps for the wrong country... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Up For It! Posted November 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Interesting thoughts.... Â For me the biggest travesties from players I've seen is Hammell, Martin and McKinnon. A lot left us and went on to win their caps, but how McKinnon, Hammel and Martin have a total of 6caps between them is shocking! I'm no seeing their world beaters or that - just that they should have got their chance. Maybe harder for MArtin cause he was behind Gough, Hendry, Calderwood, etc - but seem to recall Paul Ritchie and Stewart McSkimmie being selected before him - which is just madness!! Was it not Mark Hateley that refered to Martin as one of the toughest centre halfs he'd ever came up against?! Â As for McKinnon, he was behind mainly Tom Boyd but surely he should have made more squads giving chances in friendlies, etc? Â As for Hammell - its a joke that he's behind Lee Wallace, Paul Dixon, Danny Fox and Stephen Crainey. Â Guess all this is just further proof that Craig Broon and Craig Levein are fucking arseholes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshillWell Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 This is a great topic. Â In my time there have been a few players. Â Brian Martin - although he got a few caps and was in the initial France 98 squad with Nicky Walker, the keeper that had been relegated with Partick, if I remember, he was a great defender and players like Alan McLaren at Rangers were first pick on the Scotland team. Â Chris McCart - how he never got a cap only Craig Brown knows. Â Paul Lambert - I know he was capped at 'well, but should have featured ahead of players like McStay. Lambert didn't even become a regular for Scotland whilst at Dortmund, winning the Champions League. It was only when moved to Celtic was he first pick. Â Steven Hammell - I think that the Beri Vogts reign left a lot of players without deserved caps, but surely Hammell deserves a lot more. When I see average players like Fox getting capped it still annoys me. Â Steven Pearson - Should have been capped while at Motherwell. Exciting talent back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickle Pickle Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Has Clarkson ever received a cap since he moved away?? Â Maybe have the Scott McDonald arguement, should he have chose Scotland?? Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaststandfan Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 The best player to play for Motherwell and not get a cap, was Charlie Aitken also one of the best headers of a ball ever seen anywhere but most of the people here will not remember him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils40yarder Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 My Papa reckoned he was the best player that he ever seen play for Motherwell and he was a lad when we won the league in the 30's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 The best player to play for Motherwell and not get a cap, was Charlie Aitken also one of the best headers of a ball ever seen anywhere but most of the people here will not remember him   No Arguments on that choice from me !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonwellfan Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 I've actually spoke to Joe Wark about his lack of Scotland caps when I was in the centenary suite before a game last year and he said Scotland were spoilt for choice in the full back positions in his day. I can't remember some of the names he said kept him out the team. Can any one shed any light? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 I've actually spoke to Joe Wark about his lack of Scotland caps when I was in the centenary suite before a game last year and he said Scotland were spoilt for choice in the full back positions in his day. I can't remember some of the names he said kept him out the team. Can any one shed any light? I'd imagine Danny McGrain and Sandy Jardine featured. I can't remember others but I do recall Scotland being so well off for right backs that Danny McGrain played left back. I might be wrong on that one though... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonwellfan Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 I'd imagine Danny McGrain and Sandy Jardine featured. I can't remember others but I do recall Scotland being so well off for right backs that Danny McGrain played left back. I might be wrong on that one though... Exactly the 2 and I was thinking Danny McGrain when I made the post but always thought of him as a right back but you have explained it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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