Trouble At The Aberdeen Game

[Special aka]

Any fan taken vids posted anywhere ?

 

Blatantly obvious that "smaller" supports are an easy target. Two sections of Mauld Firm fans stand for full 90 mins at Pittodrie, without any intervention from stewards/OB ................ but a 15yr old lad and his mates can/are subjected to victimisation tactics.

 

Ricky, with the aid of witnesses, should raise civil action against his uniformed Assailant.

[Rocky']

It makes it easier for the likes of the good DR pompous ego trip to dismiss us as petulant trouble makers if they dismiss us as alchopop'd fuelled little neds.

 

The truth is the core of the group is between 24-20 and yes there is alot of younger fans like Ricky who stand with us and contribute to the atmosphere as this is something new and exciting even enjoyable, imagine enjoying yourself at a game in the SPL.

 

Also why change the thread? What happannend at pittodrie in my eyes only served to prove the need for this campaign! Selective censorship here!

[henry]

 

 

Also why change the thread? What happannend at pittodrie in my eyes only served to prove the need for this campaign! Selective censorship here!

 

 

The moderators have the God given right to change threads as they see fit.

[henry]

Any fan taken vids posted anywhere ?

 

Blatantly obvious that "smaller" supports are an easy target. Two sections of Mauld Firm fans stand for full 90 mins at Pittodrie, without any intervention from stewards/OB ................ but a 15yr old lad and his mates can/are subjected to victimisation tactics.

 

Ricky, with the aid of witnesses, should raise civil action against his uniformed Assailant.

 

 

Can see the headlines now .......Young Motherwell fan vs Fat bastard steward.

[Guest]

For the folk that refer to us as wee guys....ye want to stop it?!

 

We're not a "bunch of wee guys", "alcopopped filled neds" or a "bunch of wee fannies".

 

Agreed on that, but I thought it was interesting that the stewards were actively hauling out some of the wee-er members of the group. I was standing, singing, clapping, but I'm a 6'4 lad with a beard, so am I not worth the trouble?

[Tweed]

 

Also why change the thread? What happannend at pittodrie in my eyes only served to prove the need for this campaign! Selective censorship here!

 

 

I think you're right in that it does serve to highlight your point. But on the other hand I think it was taking the discussion away from the campaign and focusing on once incident. So I think it made sense to split the threads.

 

Not that it was anything to do with me.....

[Andy_P]

Also why change the thread? What happannend at pittodrie in my eyes only served to prove the need for this campaign! Selective censorship here!

 

David posted that it was at the request or at least following discussion of the OP of the Heavy Hands thread. A tricky one on what to do for the best. I said as much myself when commenting last night as to whether the Pittodrie incident ties in perfectly with or takes the focus away from the campaign. Anyway David's comment in the other thread.....

 

Having spoken to the original poster of the thread I've split the Aberdeen crowd trouble talk into a seperate thread. Let's keep this thread for discussing the campaign.

 

 

The moderators have the God given right to change threads as they see fit.

 

That would be the Gaag given right actually......

[santheman]

Spot the difference competition

[East_Stand_Al]

I am 16 years old, and have consistently travelled to away games with the "Singing section." I Travelled up to Pittodrie yesterday and paid £17 to get in. Upon celebrating the first goal with the usual, singing, bouncing, cheering, and HARMLESS atmosphere 2 or 3 stewards moved into the section. They began to tell individuals to sit, some did others kept celebrating with the rest of the energetic support, A friend a year younger than myself was then dragged off to the side and ejected from the grounds, for what a Steward later explained to him as being the first to kick off the trouble (this "trouble" was standing and singing) Of course at this point I had began filming as did another 20-30 odd lads in an attempt to make sure everything was caught on camera, in case of over-zealous force, And yet again another one of my friends was ejected for asking a Steward why he wasn't allowed to Celebrate, for the next 10 minutes, I watched as stewards and police ran about in the section grabbing anyone questioning there motives or "not listening to what they're were being TOLD to do" I stood at the end of my row, phone in hand as I had been for the last 10 minutes, Steward number 0389 approached me, shouted sit down and grabbed my phone, I pulled my hand away, to which he then made several attempts to grab my wrist and phone, then he grabbed the back of my neck and put his arm around my arms and dragged me down the stairs through the gate onto trackside, I was ridiculed as several onlooking Aberdeen fans chanted AT me, on shouting back, a nearby officer also ran onto trackside and helped the Steward escort me ( A skinny lad under 6 foot) out of the grounds, to Which I was forced to spend the remaining 80 odd minutes in a foreign city. Luckily I phoned a fewother friends whom decided to leave or where themselves ejected, and we sat on our supporters bus waiting for the game to end.

 

£17 pound to be unfairly, victimised. Heavy Hands - Empty Stands

 

Dr Pangloss - "By all means, continue what you're doing if you're having fun, but please don't come on here and make out you're being victimised."

Im offended.

 

This is a fine example of why the situation became what it was, I saw this young guy being dragged down the stairs by his neck with no regard for his safety or well-being, had anyone grabbed a steward or a copper like this then they would have been charged.

 

Following on from this incident a particular police officer kept marching up and down the stairs glaring at people in my opinion looking for trouble and a reason to grab someone and chuck them out.

 

According to the supervisor I spoke to they are allowed to physically remove people because of the SIA Licence however this was excessive.

[East_Stand_Al]

Agreed on that, but I thought it was interesting that the stewards were actively hauling out some of the wee-er members of the group. I was standing, singing, clapping, but I'm a 6'4 lad with a beard, so am I not worth the trouble?

 

Is it just a coincidence that the guys that were "removed" were mostly young guys around the 15 - 17 year old age group who were not particularly physically imposing.

 

Divide and conquer, I have a HI VIZ jacket and I'll do what I want .

[CoF]

I'd like to see some sort of official response from MFC on this. Remember, this is the same group of guys that have been constantly lauded by the club, Stuart McCall in particular, and to some extent by the media this season. It's also the same group of guys that spend a small fortune every week following the club. Another couple of bad experiences like this and I imagine that noisy section of our away support will gradually dwindle.

 

As it's something that Stuart McCall has pointed out as having a massive positive effect on the team during away games I imagine it's in the teams best interests to have them there. A wee bit of support from the club here could be very important.

 

I'm not even saying fire into Aberdeen all guns blazing, but at least show that the club are looking to establish the facts about this game and events at tannadice a few weeks ago in order to protect travelling fans in future games.

[MFC-craig]

I hope SMC sends out one of his emails, would be interesting to see what he thinks of it all.

['Wellfan 2k7]

Agreed on that, but I thought it was interesting that the stewards were actively hauling out some of the wee-er members of the group. I was standing, singing, clapping, but I'm a 6'4 lad with a beard, so am I not worth the trouble?

 

 

Is it just a coincidence that the guys that were "removed" were mostly young guys around the 15 - 17 year old age group who were not particularly physically imposing.

 

Divide and conquer, I have a HI VIZ jacket and I'll do what I want .

 

This is a very good Point!! I'm 17 and Fricking Huge - 6' 1" and like 20 Stone - and I highly doubt any of them would try to take me on in a crowd of 5' 0" 17 years olds..

 

Ultimately, they are cowards stamping their "authority"

[WellEast]

I was siiting a few rows behind all of this so will add what I saw for what it's worth.

 

The main problem is that standing at the ground is against the rules and we all know that that's the case. When you buy a ticket for the game you thereby agree to abide by the rules. The people I saw being ejected from the ground were asked/told by the stewards and then subsequently the police to sit down on a number of occasions before the "heavy handed" tactics were employed. If you are looking at a police officer who is telling you to do something repeatedly and you don't then there's only going to be one outcome I'm afraid.

 

That said the behavior of some of the stewards was certainly a bit OTT and it does raise serious questions over whether people who are most probably doing this as a Saturday job for some extra cash have been trained or have sufficient skills to deal with these types of situations. I would much rather that the games were "policed " by Police who have the experience to know when and when not to take any action.

 

The fact that the Aberdeen fans who were stading and not confronted may have been because the were standing at the back of the stand and not necessitating other seated people to move to get a decent viewof the game. As for the old firm fans standing and nothing being done that is also not right but two wrongs don't make a right as the saying goes.

 

I think the vast majority of the "singing section" have been superb this year and the atmosphere at e.g. Dunfermilne and Inverness has been fantastic but it has to be tempered by behaving in a way that is deemed to be suitable by the officials at any given away ground.

 

I would absolutely support the inclusion of standing sections at all grounds so that those who wish to stand can and those who wish to sit can and hopefully that will keep everyone happy.

Edited November 20, 2011 by WellEast

[DosserJoe]

Daily Record running a story on it tomorrow.

[TheLip69]

Can't possibly be illegal to stand in a stadium otherwise we'd all be crawling to our seats. Situation really is an utter mockery and the very things supposed to provide safety and comfort to supporters - seats and stewards -are the very things that are endangering and causing harm. See the 21st century? See progress? See "health and safety"? Shove it. Ridiculous.

 

I do not know about the legalities but it is a Health and Safety issue but probably more to do with insurance.

If you are standing up during the game and fall over injuring the person in front, for arguments sake say you go right into him as he is seated and break his neck, he will sue the club, as long as the club can confirm that you were told in no uncertain terms to sit down, they are covered.

Frankly, this kind of stupidity leaves me breathless, we've had all seated stadiums for years now and EVERYONE but the biggest fucking idiot in the land KNOWS that standing is not tolerated. So I have absolutely no sympathy with anyone who is thrown out for standing especially after being warned about it. You know the rules so dont fucking do it.

[madscot]

I do not know about the legalities but it is a Health and Safety issue but probably more to do with insurance.

If you are standing up during the game and fall over injuring the person in front, for arguments sake say you go right into him as he is seated and break his neck, he will sue the club, as long as the club can confirm that you were told in no uncertain terms to sit down, they are covered.

Frankly, this kind of stupidity leaves me breathless, we've had all seated stadiums for years now and EVERYONE but the biggest fucking idiot in the land KNOWS that standing is not tolerated. So I have absolutely no sympathy with anyone who is thrown out for standing especially after being warned about it. You know the rules so dont fucking do it.

 

So how is it that some clubs in the spl have unofficial standing areas? you either enforce the no standing rule across the board or not at all.

[David]

Also why change the thread? What happannend at pittodrie in my eyes only served to prove the need for this campaign! Selective censorship here!

As was said earlier, I put the idea to the original poster about changing the thread. The discussion was basically two pages of Pangloss and others talking about the legalities of standing up/sitting down at football games, and was in danger of drifting off-topic.

 

When the campaign kicks off properly it'll be worth having a thread that isn't clogged up with shite.

[Pettywulliegrew-2]

I was siiting a few rows behind all of this so will add what I saw for what it's worth.

 

The main problem is that standing at the ground is against the rules and we all know that that's the case. When you buy a ticket for the game you thereby agree to abide by the rules. The people I saw being ejected from the ground were asked/told by the stewards and then subsequently the police to sit down on a number of occasions before the "heavy handed" tactics were employed. If you are looking at a police officer who is telling you to do something repeatedly and you don't then there's only going to be one outcome I'm afraid.

 

That said the behavior of some of the stewards was certainly a bit OTT and it does raise serious questions over whether people who are most probably doing this as a Saturday job for some extra cash have been trained or have sufficient skills to deal with these types of situations. I would much rather that the games were "policed " by Police who have the experience to know when and when not to take any action.

 

The fact that the Aberdeen fans who were stading and not confronted may have been because the were standing at the back of the stand and not necessitating other seated people to move to get a decent viewof the game. As for the old firm fans standing and nothing being done that is also not right but two wrongs don't make a right as the saying goes.

 

I think the vast majority of the "singing section" have been superb this year and the atmosphere at e.g. Dunfermilne and Inverness has been fantastic but it has to be tempered by behaving in a way that is deemed to be suitable by the officials at any given away ground.

 

I would absolutely support the inclusion of standing sections at all grounds so that those who wish to stand can and those who wish to sit can and hopefully that will keep everyone happy.

 

 

The whole problem about this issue is its"stewards" who start the problem then "Old Bill" has to sort out the shit they stir when they cant cope !!!

 

U pay peanuts............u get monkeys !!!

[Jay]

I was talking to two coppers back in the city centre a couple of hours later. They'd been at the game and were perfectly sound. Pointed out that we perhaps didn't do ourselves any favours by reacting, but admitted it all came about because of the arsehole stewards - 'absolute joke' was what one of them called it.

 

Same old story really. I often find that the police at football matches are actually pretty decent, it's the jobsworth stewards on a power trip that do far more harm than good.

 

Incidentally, I will be very disappointed if the club don't at least acknowledge the harsh treatment of fans who'd travelled up.

[Pettywulliegrew-2]

I was talking to two coppers back in the city centre a couple of hours later. They'd been at the game and were perfectly sound. Pointed out that we perhaps didn't do ourselves any favours by reacting, but admitted it all came about because of the arsehole stewards - 'absolute joke' was what one of them called it.

 

Same old story really. I often find that the police at football matches are actually pretty decent, it's the jobsworth stewards on a power trip that do far more harm than good.

 

Incidentally, I will be very disappointed if the club don't at least acknowledge the harsh treatment of fans who'd travelled up.

 

 

Jay

The people who were man-handled/assaulted by "stewards" should be writing to G4S ,The Chief Constable Grampian Police,Alex Salmond,SPL complaing and send copy letters to MFC.

 

Every other week we hear about problems about stewarding/policing at games when people mention stewards numbers etc etc.....but does anybody put pen to paper taking the individuals to task ????

 

Football supporters are treated as second hand citizens...........on saying that I nearly got kicked out of the Echo and the bunnymen concert recently for "dancing" in the isle

[David]

on saying that I nearly got kicked out of the Echo and the bunnymen concert recently for "dancing" in the isle

You should have known that there's no place for dancing at a gig in our modern, safe society.

[Well_Jaggy]

Just out of curiosity, if its against the rules to stand, why don't they throw EVERYONE out at half time?

[Special aka]

Heard an item on an Aberdeen based radio station the other week intimating that OB were considering handing total control over to Stewards at Pittodrie. Apparently incidents within the stadium are at an all time low.

[gordy]

I was siiting a few rows behind all of this so will add what I saw for what it's worth.

 

The main problem is that standing at the ground is against the rules and we all know that that's the case. When you buy a ticket for the game you thereby agree to abide by the rules. The people I saw being ejected from the ground were asked/told by the stewards and then subsequently the police to sit down on a number of occasions before the "heavy handed" tactics were employed. If you are looking at a police officer who is telling you to do something repeatedly and you don't then there's only going to be one outcome I'm afraid.

 

That said the behavior of some of the stewards was certainly a bit OTT and it does raise serious questions over whether people who are most probably doing this as a Saturday job for some extra cash have been trained or have sufficient skills to deal with these types of situations. I would much rather that the games were "policed " by Police who have the experience to know when and when not to take any action.

 

The fact that the Aberdeen fans who were stading and not confronted may have been because the were standing at the back of the stand and not necessitating other seated people to move to get a decent viewof the game. As for the old firm fans standing and nothing being done that is also not right but two wrongs don't make a right as the saying goes.

 

I think the vast majority of the "singing section" have been superb this year and the atmosphere at e.g. Dunfermilne and Inverness has been fantastic but it has to be tempered by behaving in a way that is deemed to be suitable by the officials at any given away ground.

 

I would absolutely support the inclusion of standing sections at all grounds so that those who wish to stand can and those who wish to sit can and hopefully that will keep everyone happy.

 

 

 

You state, "The main problem is that standing at the ground is against the rules and we all know that that's the case. When you buy a ticket for the game you thereby agree to abide by the rules".

 

You then state, "As for the old firm fans standing and nothing being done that is also not right but two wrongs don't make a right as the saying goes".

 

We have at most, 1 - 200 fans standing, they have 4 - 5,000 fans standing, the more people standing the bigger the hazard, therefore the greater the risk of an incident / accident occurring.

 

Also, to make matters worse, from the health and safety point of view, the cellik hordes are now copying Man City and doing that ridiculous thing where they turn with backs to the game and start jumping up and down. How dangerous is that?

 

What is done or said to the old firm fans? NOTHING.

 

The Old Firm standing at games is an issue that must be raised, especially if our fans continue to be treated like this.

 

It is cowardice by stewards and police to say nothing to them but pick on the supporters like ours who were ejected yesterday.

 

Why don't the police tell old firm fans to sit down? Can anybody tell me that.

 

Where is the Health and Safety rules, Taylor report guidelines or law then?

 

Or is it just because there are more of them and the stewards and police are shitebags?

 

One rule for them and one for us.

 

It is time to boycott away games until this shite stops.