johnstone Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Aye top 6 is sorted. Â A win tomorrow and Europe will be that little bit closer. Â Lots of games to go and I am sure we will have another wee dip in form before the season is over. Â Its interesting that we went on a bit of a slump when Jennings got injured. That could easily happen again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well_Jaggy Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 3rd Place finishes last 10 years- Â 10-11 - Hearts - 63 09-10 - Utd - 63 08-09 - Hearts - 59 07-08 - Motherwell - 60 06-07 - Aberdeen - 65 05-06 - Rangers - 73 04-05 - Hibs - 61 03-04 - Hearts - 68 02-03 - Hearts - 63 01-02 - Livingston - 58 Â Hearts have done well by the looks of it. Yhey also finished 2nd in 05-06 Â So looks like we needs be hitting 61-65 points to make sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swami Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 3rd Place finishes last 10 years- Â 10-11 - Hearts - 63 09-10 - Utd - 63 08-09 - Hearts - 59 07-08 - Motherwell - 60 06-07 - Aberdeen - 65 05-06 - Rangers - 73 04-05 - Hibs - 61 03-04 - Hearts - 68 02-03 - Hearts - 63 01-02 - Livingston - 58 Â Hearts have done well by the looks of it. Yhey also finished 2nd in 05-06 Â So looks like we needs be hitting 61-65 points to make sure. Â Blimey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 What was the twaddle spencer year when hearts beat hibs to pip us? That was a sore one to take. Â 60 pts has been the target in my head, think that will do it as long as we are picking up the points against our challengers. Massive week coming up for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 3rd Place finishes last 10 years- Â 10-11 - Hearts - 63 09-10 - Utd - 63 08-09 - Hearts - 59 07-08 - Motherwell - 60 06-07 - Aberdeen - 65 05-06 - Rangers - 73 04-05 - Hibs - 61 03-04 - Hearts - 68 02-03 - Hearts - 63 01-02 - Livingston - 58 Â Hearts have done well by the looks of it. Yhey also finished 2nd in 05-06 Â So looks like we needs be hitting 61-65 points to make sure. Â Could you post that with the points total of 4th place each year as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilian Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 to finish third you have to beat fourth , so they highest 4th place points might indicate something  3rd Place & 4th place finishes last 10 years-  10-11 - Hearts - 63 Dundee Utd - 61 09-10 - Utd - 63 Hibs - 54 08-09 - Hearts - 59 Aberdeen - 53 07-08 - Motherwell - 60 Aberdeen - 53 06-07 - Aberdeen - 65 Hearts - 61 05-06 - Rangers - 73 Hibs - 56 04-05 - Hibs - 61 Aberdeen - 61 03-04 - Hearts - 68 Dunfermline - 53 02-03 - Hearts - 63 Kilmarnock - 57 01-02 - Livingston - 58 Aberdeen - 55  62 would have done it any of the last ten seasons, but 54 points would have done a couple of those years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxywell Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 This is our biggest week of the season.If we win both games we'll finish 3rd.Can't remember any team clawing back a 12 point gap on 3rd with a dozen games left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 What with the news about Rangers this is a real chance for Motherwell FC to do something special. Third place could potentially get us into the Champions League, something we've never done before. We must do all we can to get 3rd place, starting with ensuring that whatever happens we DO NOT get beat by Hearts on Saturday. Â Very exciting times ahead potentially... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 ^ Agree with that. There is every chance that 3rd place gets the CL qualifier. We are still in pole position for 3rd. Everyone at the club needs to pull out all the stops to ensure we finish 3rd in the hope that Rangers are not allowed to participate. Â Even if it means promising chunky bonuses for anyone whose still in the team by the time we hear that CL music getting blasted out at Fir Park.* Â Please Motherwell, if we were ever to realise this pipe dream, get all the tannoys working so the fans could enjoy it! After all, we would only get one game at it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Radio confirm that Rangers will still play in Europe if they can get in AND out of administration before the start of next season. Probably why they are going for it now. Â Celebrations of Champions League fitba could be (sadly) premature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnstone Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Remember that Rangers squad could be ripped to shreads. If that is the case then I doubt they will continue to hold onto 2nd place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postiejim Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 From the BBC. If Rangers qualify for Europe next season, will they be allowed to play in European competition? Â That depends. If they come out of administration as the same entity, their license to compete in Uefa competitions would be issued by the Scottish Football Association, provided they had exited administration by the end of March. Â Failure to exit administration by then would mean they would not have a license and wouldn't be able to compete in Europe next season. Â If they come out of administration as a different entity, their license would lapse and they would have to apply for a new one. It would then be up to the SFA and Uefa to decide if a new license can be granted............ Â For my money the powers that be will pull out all the stops and make sure administration will be as painless as possible for Rangers ,and that includes playing in europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkySuperSub Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Radio confirm that Rangers will still play in Europe if they can get in AND out of administration before the start of next season. Probably why they are going for it now. Â Celebrations of Champions League fitba could be (sadly) premature. Â Not according to the BBC website... Â If Rangers qualify for Europe next season, will they be allowed to play in European competition? Â That depends. If they come out of administration as the same entity, their license to compete in Uefa competitions would be issued by the Scottish Football Association, provided they had exited administration by the end of March. Â Failure to exit administration by then would mean they would not have a license and wouldn't be able to compete in Europe next season. Â If they come out of administration as a different entity, their license would lapse and they would have to apply for a new one. It would then be up to the SFA and Uefa to decide if a new license can be granted. Â Damn...beaten to it by postiejim! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldo Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Radio confirm that Rangers will still play in Europe if they can get in AND out of administration before the start of next season. Probably why they are going for it now. Â Celebrations of Champions League fitba could be (sadly) premature. Â Â On the plus side, it is nothing to do with Rangers when they come out administration. Just hope they don't get Bryan Jackson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 On the plus side, it is nothing to do with Rangers when they come out administration. Â Â I don't agree with that to be honest. Whytes a shyster and has been there a good while now. He's obviously got a plan in place, that will involve loopholes, him making money and a lot of debt being written off. Â I wouldn't be surprised if they were in and out of admin within 1 week. Â Sadly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Scottish football authorities will move heaven and earth to help and protect them. I am as happy as the next non OF football fan about what is happening.....but I can see them with a ten point deduction but not being disqualified from Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 I don't agree with that to be honest. Whytes a shyster and has been there a good while now. He's obviously got a plan in place, that will involve loopholes, him making money and a lot of debt being written off. Â I wouldn't be surprised if they were in and out of admin within 1 week. Â Sadly! Â I think it depends though. I agree that he's probably got a plan in place, but who is to say that it's not a long-term plan? I don't agree that the idea of him having a plan automatically means that they'll be in and out of administration within weeks. Craig Whyte is a business man, there's nothing to suggest that his business plan for Rangers isn't to be played out over a couple of years rather than days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postiejim Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 What happens at castle grayskull is a side issue for us ,lets just make sure we finish 3rd and get that europa league place, starting with a win on Saturday against Hearts . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldo Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012  I wouldn't be surprised if they were in and out of admin within 1 week.   And if they are, they still might owe HMRC £49 million and go back in!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy Target Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 From 2004: Â The Scottish FA have confirmed that clubs in administration will not play in Europe next season. Not sure if it still stands though. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/3415935.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldo Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Rangers Statement.  The Rangers Football Club plc has today announced it has filed a notice of intention to the Court of Session in Edinburgh to appoint administrators.   The Club will conduct its business as usual and will not be in administration until it decides whether to formally proceed with an application to appoint administrators.   Until such time, the Club will not face any sanction from the football authorities in terms of points deduction within the Scottish Premier League.   Sanctions such as a 10-point deduction will only apply if the Club proceeds with the appointment of administrators. It is expected to be 10 working days before a decision is made whether to appoint administrators.   Suppliers to Rangers Football Club and the Club's business partners and sponsors are currently being informed of today's announcement and arrangements between the Club, suppliers and creditors will continue as normal.   There will be no impact on season ticket holders and shareholders. Season tickets will continue to be valid for this season and any commitment to a season ticket for next season is secure.   The Club is continuing to have dialogue with HMRC in the hope that a formal insolvency procedure can be averted and has put forward pragmatic proposals.   The Club's owners believe there is no 'realistic or practical' alternative to this course of action in order to secure the long-term future of the Club.   Should administration take effect, the Club is proposing a Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA). The Club wishes to seek the protection of a moratorium from HMRC action whilst a CVA proposal is made to creditors. The Club has put forward a CVA proposal to HMRC in which creditors would be paid and provision made for the legacy HMRC case, commonly known as the 'big tax' case.   This, if approved by creditors within a month, would minimise any points deduction and enable the club to participate in European football next season.   The Club has engaged Duff and Phelps, a specialist restructuring practice to assist in finding a solution to the present position.   Should the Club proceed into administration, the appointed administrators will in all likelihood implement a cost-cutting programme and staffing levels will be reviewed across all departments of the Club's business.   Rangers chairman Craig Whyte said there is no 'realistic or practical' alternative to this course of action due to a combination of the Club's ongoing financial situation and the impending result of the HMRC first tier tax tribunal. The tribunal relates to a claim by HMRC for unpaid taxes over a period of several years dating back to 2001, which, if decided in favour of HMRC, could result in liabilities and penalties substantially more than the £50 million reported which the Club would be unable to pay.   Further investment in the Club from any source would be impossible as the threat of winding up by HMRC cannot be removed. The Rangers FC Group, the majority shareholder in the Club, is prepared to provide further funding for the Club on the basis the funding is ring-fenced from the legacy HMRC issue.   Mr Whyte said: "It is extremely disappointing the Club's finds itself in this position but decisions have to be taken to safeguard the long-term survival and prosperity of the Club both on and off the field. The harsh reality is that this moment has been a long time coming for Rangers and its roots lie in decisions taken many years ago. If we do not take action now the consequences and the risks to the Club are too great.   "In addition to the HMRC issues, it has been abundantly clear to me the Club faces serious structural and financial issues which will continue unless they are addressed.   "There is no realistic or practical alternative to our approach as HMRC has made it plain to the Club that should we be successful in the forthcoming tax tribunal decision, they will 'appeal, appeal and appeal again' the decision. This would leave the Club facing years of uncertainty and also having to pay immediately a range of liabilities to HMRC. Even if the Club were to succeed in the tax tribunal, it would still face substantial liabilities. Zero liability will not happen.   "Whilst it appears that a consensual restructuring looks unlikely outside of a formal insolvency procedure, the above steps, if agreement cannot be reached with HMRC, will bring an end to the legacy threat of closure and will provide stability required to enable the required investment to be made into the future of the Club.   "I can, however, reassure Rangers supporters that the Club will continue and can emerge as a stronger and financially fitter organisation that will compete at the levels of competition our fans have come to expect.   "At this point I would ask all Rangers supporters to continue to show the tremendous support they have shown to the Club, Ally McCoist, his management team and the players." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_nuts Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Rangers would not be able to play in Europe in the 2014-15 season if they are still around. I had to check up on that for a guy at work. A win on Saturday and against Hibs would be massive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 SSN reporter outside Ibrox says that the timing is due to Craig Whyte needing to act quickly to ensure he will be the preferred creditor. Don't think any mention was made about Europe but it was hard to hear over Jim White's sniffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 SSN reporter outside Ibrox says that the timing is due to Craig Whyte needing to act quickly to ensure he will be the preferred creditor. Don't think any mention was made about Europe but it was hard to hear over Jim White's sniffs. Sky Sports News coverage of this has been nothing short of awful. That wee gimp has been standing outside Ibrox all day bleating on about how it's a dark dark day for Scottish football and that we'd all be fucked without Rangers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Rangers would not be able to play in Europe in the 2014-15 season if they are still around. I had to check up on that for a guy at work. A win on Saturday and against Hibs would be massive. Only if they are liquidated& form a new company. Not if they go into admin next week& back out tge week later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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