The_Craig Posted March 6, 2012 Report Share Posted March 6, 2012 Hands up those who didn't book any just in case! Told my fiance that we couldn't go on our honeymoon on the 19th of May because it's cup final day and we're not out the cup yet. If we do make it, and win it, I don't know what would be the greatest day... 18th May - Wedding 19th May - Motherwell win the Cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted March 6, 2012 Report Share Posted March 6, 2012 Told my fiance that we couldn't go on our honeymoon on the 19th of May because it's cup final day and we're not out the cup yet. If we do make it, and win it, I don't know what would be the greatest day... 18th May - Wedding 19th May - Motherwell win the Cup that will depend on who you are talking to and who is listening !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-pidge Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Definitely definitely definitely want Ajax! Easy and affordable to get to so huge support and a great city. I would take dutch, belgian, greek or portuguese - in that order. Please, please, please let it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Definitely definitely definitely want Ajax! Easy and affordable to get to so huge support and a great city. I would take dutch, belgian, greek or portuguese - in that order. hookers in the dam or possible opponents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_nuts Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 as long as the second leg is away from home as i am on holiday that week either that or i will have to move a few days about to go if it is away first leg. Bring it on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-pidge Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 hookers in the dam or possible opponents? Opponents - hookers in the dam you obviously go for the eastern europeans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ML1 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 From reading (trying to) the SFA rules it looks like the 31st March isn't the deadline after all ? April the 8th and they could even ask for an extension to that as well The bits in bold being the relevant bits ... 4.2.5 Review licence applicant Activity and Prepare Report to Licensing Committee. LM will review licence applicant activity as a consequence of the audit visit and seek guidance from experts where necessary. Licence applicant will be asked to redress where relevant. LM will prepare the Club Licensing Report for the Committee (a controlled document) “Committee Report” following updates from the licence applicant and the experts and this will be dispatched to the licence applicant, experts and the Licensing Committee prior to the meeting of the Licensing Committee. Licence applicant will be given sufficient time between the circulation of this report and the meeting of the Licensing Committee for the submission of comments that will be placed before the Licensing Committee. Licence applicant will be required to provide a written submission within 7 days before the Licensing Committee meeting intimating whether any events of major economic importance have occurred that may need to be taken into account (Article 51 of the UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations). Non- conformities involving UEFA mandatory criteria will be specified and the licence applicant advised of the outcome of failing to meet the rigid deadlines in place. This deadline for licence applicant’s to submit information that meets the UEFA requirements shall be 8 April. Any deviations beyond 8 April will be reviewed by the Licensing Committee at its April meeting. This deadline date will comprise part of the “Club Report” template and will be communicated clearly to the licence applicants throughout the process. 4.2.6 Licensing Committee Meet and Review LM will ensure that the procedure “Management for the Decision Making Bodies” as detailed in the Quality Manual is adhered to. LM will ensure the following – • That the licence applicant has been provided with a deadline date for the submission of information. In the case of the UEFA documents this will be 8 April (unless an earlier date is stipulated by the Scottish FA during the licensing process). • That the licence applicant has been given the opportunity of being represented at the Licensing Committee meeting if there are items on the “Committee Report” that may lead to a refusal of a UEFA Licence award. Licensing Committee determine the award based upon the criteria, information provided on the “Committee Report”, feedback from the licence applicant and the recommendations of the LM and Experts Licensing Committee will review the “Committee Report” in relation to the licence applicant meeting the terms of the UEFA requirements and will decide whether the licence applicant meets the minimum requirements or not. If it does not, the licence applicant will not be eligible for admittance to the UEFA Club Competitions or will be sanctioned in accordance with UEFA requirements. Licensing Committee will provide the licence applicant with an explanation of the reasons for its decision as well as timescales, where relevant, to address variances from criteria. LM shall communicate the decision to the licence applicant within five days of the decision. If relevant, the licence applicant will be provided with a copy of the Appeals procedure at that time. It should be noted that the Licensing Committee will normally meet in April to review club applications. Earlier referrals during the licensing season are however permissible in cases where the LM determines relevant. 4.2.7 Appellate Tribunal LM will not sit on the Appellate Tribunal but will ensure that the procedure “Management for the Decision Making Bodies” as detailed in the Quality Manual is adhered to. Appeals procedures are as detailed in the Articles of Association. 4.2.8 Key Dates in the Process The process starts with the meeting of Review Body and ends on submission of the list of licensing decisions to UEFA. June/July 2011 - Meeting of Review Body. August – December 2011 - Approval of the Board and documents dispatched to licence applicants. December 2011 - 31 March 2012- Return of Licence applicant documents and their following assessment by the LM as well as the designated experts. 31 March 2012- Return of all documentation from the licence applicant unless an earlier date is specified. 8 April 2012- Final submission date for licence applicants for all documents relating to the UEFA criteria unless exceptional dispensation has been agreed by the Licensing Committee 15 April 2012– Scottish FA to communicate to UEFA the possibility of an SFL club qualifying for any of the UEFA Club Competitions. 20 - 30 April 2012- Licensing Committee meets to consider all licence applications. NB The written representation to the SFA as detailed in the Financial Section 8.1.6 must be submitted a minimum of 7 days prior to the date set for the meeting of the Licensing Committee and this is highlighted in the “Club Report” to licence applicants following the audit. 5 - 25 May 2012- Appellate Tribunal meets to consider any licence applicant appeals. 31 May 2012– Scottish FA to provide UEFA with its list of licensing decisions 4.2.9 The Process of Admission of an SFL club to the UEFA Club Competitions This is specified in Article 15 and Annex IV of the UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ML1 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Woohoo ! Full Statement PRESS INFORMATION on behalf of RANGERS FOOTBALL CLUB ADMINISTRATORS’ STATEMENT WEDNESDAY, 7 MARCH 2012 Duff & Phelps, the Administrators of Rangers Football Club, today issued the following statement. Paul Clark, Joint Administrator, said: “As regards the Club playing in European competitions next season, there is no realistic prospect of the Club being able to fulfil its obligations prior to the March 31 deadline set by UEFA. “There are four main reasons for this and they lie in the stewardship of the Club prior to going into administration. First, as we have stated from the outset, the likelihood of the Club being able to emerge successfully from administration before this deadline as indicated by the Chairman was, at best optimistic given the perilous financial situation at the Club at the time of insolvency. “Second, the company accounts cannot realistically be signed off by auditors in a manner that would meet the criteria required by the footballing authorities. Even if the audited financial statements are issued prior to the end of March 2012 we would expect them to be qualified by the auditors such that under UEFA requirements the Club will have to satisfy a going concern test confirming how it will continue to be funded until the end of next season. Without knowing who will be the owner of the Club at 31 March, it is impossible to provide suitable comfort in this respect. “Thirdly under UEFA regulations the Club must have paid or come to a satisfactory settlement with all social taxes that were outstanding at 31 December 2011. We estimate those social taxes (being PAYE and NIC) to be at least £5m. We cannot now see a scenario where those taxes will have been paid or compromised to the satisfaction of HMRC by the end of March 2012. “The final major hurdle is that the Club must have paid or compromised all of its outstanding "Football Creditors" prior to the deadline of 31 March 2012. That issue is again extremely unlikely. “As administrators, we will make every effort to seek dispensation from the footballing authorities given the extraordinary circumstances in which the Club has been placed. “There has, perhaps inevitably, been speculation about Rangers Football Club facing liquidation. As we have stated previously, we remain very confident that Rangers will not cease to exist and the team will continue to play at Ibrox. “If a Company Voluntary Arrangement is not possible for any particular reason, any buyer of the Club and its assets would complete that purchase through a sale by the Administrators allowing the Football Club to continue to operate with the old company then being placed into liquidation prior to dissolution. “We are, however, doing our best to ensure the Company trades viably during administration and this will require a rigorous cost-cutting programme. Our preferred option remains to reach a point where a Company Voluntary Arrangement is reached and the Club can emerge from administration as a viable business within its existing corporate shell. As stated there is a possibility that if a new buyer is identified a financial case may be made to sell the business and assets of the old company, but that is not our preferred approach at this time. “We are aware of the statement from Mr King. We note his comments regarding the Ticketus arrangements but as this issue is subject to ongoing discussion and examination, it would be inappropriate for us to comment further.” ENDS) 7 March 2012 For further information please contact: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoF Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Magic! Although, still nothing guaranteed yet. Dundee United seem to hit a right good run of form. 9 goals scored - 0 conceded in the last 3 SPL games. 10 points of a gap with 27 points to play for. Still a lot of goals to be scored and games to be won for us. Bring it on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 I hope all this doesn't unnerve the team and we can stay on form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Magic! Although, still nothing guaranteed yet. Dundee United seem to hit a right good run of form. 9 goals scored - 0 conceded in the last 3 SPL games. 10 points of a gap with 27 points to play for. Still a lot of goals to be scored and games to be won for us. Bring it on! .......And they play rangers next. Not sure how I want that game to go. Rangers win probably would be best. I think it is more important that we keep Dundee Utd and the teams below us at a distance than it is to catch Rangers. We do have to play them twice so currently within our control to catch them without help from other teams. So all in all I just want to see Dundee Utd, Hearts and St Johnstaone drop all the points they can regardless of who they are playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Jammy bastards! Seriously though, this is brilliant. Good luck. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazs66 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 If Rangers are not able to fulfil their remaining fixtures as is a scenario by the administrators today, the main losers would be Kilmarnock who would loose 6 points and Hearts and St Mirren would would loose 4 points. St J would loose just the 1 point and United would remain the same. But we would be in 2nd place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Wellfan 2k7 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 With a superior goal difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 If Rangers are not able to fulfil their remaining fixtures as is a scenario by the administrators today, the main losers would be Kilmarnock who would loose 6 points and Hearts and St Mirren would would loose 4 points. St J would loose just the 1 point and United would remain the same. But we would be in 2nd place 6pts I'd happily lose! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-pidge Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 So if thats rangers out of europe, the rest of the top six stand to get in depending on scottish cup winners - so we are most likely 2 points away from guaranteeing european footy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 So if thats rangers out of europe, the rest of the top six stand to get in depending on scottish cup winners - so we are most likely 2 points away from guaranteeing european footy. we've already guaranteed top six. we're nowhere near guaranteeing fifth yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Not sure i follow that Logic El-pidge. ( assuming rangers are out of europe ) If cup winners are from top 5 then we are already in europe. Since we have already secured top 6(5) finish. If cup winners are out of top 5 ( hibs, Aberdeen, Ayr, St Mirren ) then we need to secure 5th place. With 27 points still up for grabs then we are a long way short of securing 5th place. Did you forget about the 5 post split games?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 In fact, mathematically, Hibs and dunfermline are the only two teams that cannot get more points than us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoF Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 .......And they play rangers next. Not sure how I want that game to go. Rangers win probably would be best. I think it is more important that we keep Dundee Utd and the teams below us at a distance than it is to catch Rangers. We do have to play them twice so currently within our control to catch them without help from other teams. So all in all I just want to see Dundee Utd, Hearts and St Johnstaone drop all the points they can regardless of who they are playing. Naaah, I'm ever the optimist. Always looking above on the table, not below. I'd take a Dundee United win because 1)I genuinely think we've got enough in the tank and given ourselves enough of a cushion to take a decent challenge from them and still finish above them 2)The million pounds difference between 2nd and 3rd. 3)Rangers complete capitulation is absolute comedy gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-in-Oz Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 From reading (trying to) the SFA rules it looks like the 31st March isn't the deadline after all ? April the 8th and they could even ask for an extension to that as well The bits in bold being the relevant bits ... 4.2.5 Review licence applicant Activity and Prepare Report to Licensing Committee. LM will review licence applicant activity as a consequence of the audit visit and seek guidance from experts where necessary. Licence applicant will be asked to redress where relevant. LM will prepare the Club Licensing Report for the Committee (a controlled document) “Committee Report” following updates from the licence applicant and the experts and this will be dispatched to the licence applicant, experts and the Licensing Committee prior to the meeting of the Licensing Committee. Licence applicant will be given sufficient time between the circulation of this report and the meeting of the Licensing Committee for the submission of comments that will be placed before the Licensing Committee. Licence applicant will be required to provide a written submission within 7 days before the Licensing Committee meeting intimating whether any events of major economic importance have occurred that may need to be taken into account (Article 51 of the UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations). Non- conformities involving UEFA mandatory criteria will be specified and the licence applicant advised of the outcome of failing to meet the rigid deadlines in place. This deadline for licence applicant’s to submit information that meets the UEFA requirements shall be 8 April. Any deviations beyond 8 April will be reviewed by the Licensing Committee at its April meeting. This deadline date will comprise part of the “Club Report” template and will be communicated clearly to the licence applicants throughout the process. 4.2.6 Licensing Committee Meet and Review LM will ensure that the procedure “Management for the Decision Making Bodies” as detailed in the Quality Manual is adhered to. LM will ensure the following – • That the licence applicant has been provided with a deadline date for the submission of information. In the case of the UEFA documents this will be 8 April (unless an earlier date is stipulated by the Scottish FA during the licensing process). • That the licence applicant has been given the opportunity of being represented at the Licensing Committee meeting if there are items on the “Committee Report” that may lead to a refusal of a UEFA Licence award. Licensing Committee determine the award based upon the criteria, information provided on the “Committee Report”, feedback from the licence applicant and the recommendations of the LM and Experts Licensing Committee will review the “Committee Report” in relation to the licence applicant meeting the terms of the UEFA requirements and will decide whether the licence applicant meets the minimum requirements or not. If it does not, the licence applicant will not be eligible for admittance to the UEFA Club Competitions or will be sanctioned in accordance with UEFA requirements. Licensing Committee will provide the licence applicant with an explanation of the reasons for its decision as well as timescales, where relevant, to address variances from criteria. LM shall communicate the decision to the licence applicant within five days of the decision. If relevant, the licence applicant will be provided with a copy of the Appeals procedure at that time. It should be noted that the Licensing Committee will normally meet in April to review club applications. Earlier referrals during the licensing season are however permissible in cases where the LM determines relevant. 4.2.7 Appellate Tribunal LM will not sit on the Appellate Tribunal but will ensure that the procedure “Management for the Decision Making Bodies” as detailed in the Quality Manual is adhered to. Appeals procedures are as detailed in the Articles of Association. 4.2.8 Key Dates in the Process The process starts with the meeting of Review Body and ends on submission of the list of licensing decisions to UEFA. June/July 2011 - Meeting of Review Body. August – December 2011 - Approval of the Board and documents dispatched to licence applicants. December 2011 - 31 March 2012- Return of Licence applicant documents and their following assessment by the LM as well as the designated experts. 31 March 2012- Return of all documentation from the licence applicant unless an earlier date is specified. 8 April 2012- Final submission date for licence applicants for all documents relating to the UEFA criteria unless exceptional dispensation has been agreed by the Licensing Committee 15 April 2012– Scottish FA to communicate to UEFA the possibility of an SFL club qualifying for any of the UEFA Club Competitions. 20 - 30 April 2012- Licensing Committee meets to consider all licence applications. NB The written representation to the SFA as detailed in the Financial Section 8.1.6 must be submitted a minimum of 7 days prior to the date set for the meeting of the Licensing Committee and this is highlighted in the “Club Report” to licence applicants following the audit. 5 - 25 May 2012- Appellate Tribunal meets to consider any licence applicant appeals. 31 May 2012– Scottish FA to provide UEFA with its list of licensing decisions 4.2.9 The Process of Admission of an SFL club to the UEFA Club Competitions This is specified in Article 15 and Annex IV of the UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations Not sure what the April 8th is all about but the March 31st was the date they had to be out of administration if im right & they have more or less chucked in the towel on that now Finishing 4th for Motherwell would be an achievement few would have predicted at the start of the season but how gutted will everyone be now if we don't finish 3rd & get CL football at Fir Park. 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fatcalf Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 Naaah, I'm ever the optimist. Always looking above on the table, not below. I'd take a Dundee United win because 1)I genuinely think we've got enough in the tank and given ourselves enough of a cushion to take a decent challenge from them and still finish above them 2)The million pounds difference between 2nd and 3rd. 3)Rangers complete capitulation is absolute comedy gold. We'll go for a draw then Keeps both Rangers within reach and Utd at arms length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperCC Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 Last season we were very poor after the split but we did have the Cup Final to look forward to and this maybe distracted the team from the day job! This year would any of us sacrifice getting to the final again if it meant our focus was on securing that champions league spot and maybe second in the league! Obviously we want it all but if you had to choose........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonwellfan Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 Nothing can beat the moment when your team lifts a trophy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggayal0 Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 Few questions lads - how much money would we get for getting into the Champions Leauge ? i take it we would have 3 qualifiers to get through to get into it proper? do you get money even for getting to the qualifiers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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