Finlay Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Due to not being in top six last season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Due to not being in top six last season? Thats correct, yes. My preferred scenario would be: Celtic (H) - due Dundee United (H) - due Rangers (A) due St Johnstone (A) due Hearts (H) - not due. I would not be at all confident of facing Hearts or United away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 I hope we get two non OF teams first. If we got points on the board early that could take off a lot of pressure going into the OF games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roly Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Trying to work this through... Celtic - due 3 home ties - only due Rangers and Hearts at home. Rangers - due 2 home ties - due us, Dundee U and St. J at home Us - due 3 home ties - only due Celtic and Dundee U at home D Utd - due 2 home tie - due Celtic, St. J and Hearts at home St. J - due 3 home ties - only due Us and Celtic at home Hearts - due 3 home ties - due Rangers, Us and St. J at home I would assume they'll give Hearts and Utd the perfect fixtures. I think then St. Johnstone will go to Celtic park again and they'll balance that with Rangers visiting McDiarmid for a third time. That means Rangers, Celtic, Hearts and Dundee Utd have 19/19 fixtures. I would hope then given we've had an 18/20 before and St Johnstone have had a 20/18 that they'll then make St. Johnstone visit us again. That means they'll have an 18/20 and we'll have 20/18. Would give us: Celtic (H) Rangers (A) Dundee Utd (H) St. Johnstone (H) Hearts (A) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roly Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Haud the bus... That disnae work Utd are only due two home games. It much more complicated now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roly Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Yes, something has to give. In principle it'll be St Johnstone who will lose out if any team does. I think this is reasonable given past precidence and given they've benefited in the past. Thats correct, yes. My preferred scenario would be: Celtic (H) - due Dundee United (H) - due Rangers (A) due St Johnstone (A) due Hearts (H) - not due. I would not be at all confident of facing Hearts or United away. I don't see how this senario can be balanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roly Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Trying to work this through... Celtic - due 3 home ties - only due Rangers and Hearts at home. Rangers - due 2 home ties - due us, Dundee U and St. J at home Us - due 3 home ties - only due Celtic and Dundee U at home D Utd - due 2 home tie - due Celtic, St. J and Hearts at home St. J - due 3 home ties - only due Us and Celtic at home Hearts - due 3 home ties - due Rangers, Us and St. J at home Mistake here... Should be St. Johnstone due 2 home ties. So the obvious fix is: Rangers come back to Fir Park and Dundee Utd go to Celtic park. Everyone has 19/19 fixtures. Giving us. Celtic (H) Dundee Utd (H) Rangers (H) Hearts (A) St Johnstone (A) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Difficult ties but a better chance of taking a draw from the OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roly Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Difficult ties but a better chance of taking a draw from the OF. Ideally I would have wanted them away so we could just write them off and concentrate on beating our peers at home. We've learned in the past that it's never easy in the top six. You're obviously playing the the form teams. We should fancy taking somthing from the away ties though. Perth's been reasonable happy hunting grounds and the Jambos are hit or miss at the moment. Besides we have an identical home and away record this season anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roly Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 St. J are due 3 home games There will be a uneven split after all. I think it will still work out the same way. (Rangers come back to Fir Park and Dundee Utd go to Celtic park.) This leaves St. Johnstone -1 home game. It really should be Celtic that miss out on the home game as they'll have nothing to play for but the SPL won't have the baws for that. Either way it shouldn't change our fixtures from: Celtic (H) Dundee Utd (H) Rangers (H) Hearts (A) St Johnstone (A) Dundee Utd go to either Celic or St. Johnstone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Seems like the aim is to get even number of games home and away but it never quite works for all the teams. May not be a popular view but I think that they should just take the top 6 teams and make the schedule such that the end result is you played the top 6 teams equal number of times home and away so that would make our post split look like this. Celtic H Dundee Utd H Rangers A St Johnstone A Hearts A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 They should publish the split fixtures at the start of the season when we don't even know who's in what position. Week1, Team 1 vs Team 3, Team 2 vs Team 4 etc etc. In fact the fixtures and running order could be the same every year. The team losing the extra home fixture could always be 'team 6' Then any accusations of stitch up are unfounded. Everybody knows where they would stand and what finishing the pre split fixtures in a given position would mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special aka Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 I'd rather have Hearts and utd at home, and if that meant Saints away then so beit. Split the Moldeez home/away and that woukd do me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Either way it shouldn't change our fixtures from: Celtic (H) Dundee Utd (H) Rangers (H) Hearts (A) St Johnstone (A) That will not happen. Teams expected to finish in the top 6, ie us, are guaranteed one home post split fixture against the OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_P Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 That will not happen. Teams expected to finish in the top 6, ie us, are guaranteed one home post split fixture against the OF. I don't think that's correct. Wasn't that part the cause of the club's grievance two seasons ago when we had to go to both Parkhead and Ibrox in the run in? And also partly why people remember the club have been unhappy with post-split fixtures. That season we had just two home fixtures after the split both of which if I remember rightly were scheduled at daft times with potential for hitting gate receipts further, the Utd being something like 4pm on a Sunday afternoon and the Hibs games scheduled to be on a Thursday night on election night - although I'm that subsequently got moved on police advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tanamo Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 This has to be the most manipulated set of fixtures on the planet, all geared round making it as problem free for the Flag to fly at the Piggery/Bronx as possible. very much doubt we'll get anything in our favour. Saints and us are the diddy teams in this and will suffer accordingly when the fixtures are published. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 I don't think that's correct. Wasn't that part the cause of the club's grievance two seasons ago when we had to go to both Parkhead and Ibrox in the run in? And also partly why people remember the club have been unhappy with post-split fixtures. That season we had just two home fixtures after the split both of which if I remember rightly were scheduled at daft times with potential for hitting gate receipts further, the Utd being something like 4pm on a Sunday afternoon and the Hibs games scheduled to be on a Thursday night on election night - although I'm that subsequently got moved on police advice. The previous season 2008-09 we finished in the botton half and so were not expected to finish in the top half 2 years ago. Therefore there were no "guarantees". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_P Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Noted Dave. I wasn't aware there were any guarantees afforded to those who were top six finishers the previous season. The only guarantee I've never known there was, was that the first fixture to be scheduled was the last Old Firm game and everything else built around that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roly Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 The previous season 2008-09 we finished in the botton half and so were not expected to finish in the top half 2 years ago. Therefore there were no "guarantees". Never heard of any such guarantees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roly Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 The only guarantee I've never known there was, was that the first fixture to be scheduled was the last Old Firm game and everything else built around that. Don't think thats a guarantee either and it certainly won't happen this season. It would potentially mean an Old Firm title decider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_P Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 You miss understand me Roly. I don't mean the Old Firm game being included within the 1st set of post-split fixtues, I mean its the very first post-split game the SPL will look to schedule - its placement at a point where it'll potentially cause the least amount of hassle - and every other fixture then has to be built around that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roly Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 That will not happen. Teams expected to finish in the top 6, ie us, are guaranteed one home post split fixture against the OF. Think the only way for this to happen is to make Dundee Utd go to St Johnstone again. All other fixtures remain the same. We would have 18/20 and Rangers would have 20/18. I think this is unlikely. The SPL will try to balance Old Firm fixtures first. It's also generally the club that don't belong in that half of the table that suffer (St. Johnstone in this case). Celtic (H) Dundee Utd (H) Rangers (A) Hearts (A) St Johnstone (A) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roly Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 They should publish the split fixtures at the start of the season when we don't even know who's in what position. Week1, Team 1 vs Team 3, Team 2 vs Team 4 etc etc. In fact the fixtures and running order could be the same every year. The team losing the extra home fixture could always be 'team 6' Then any accusations of stitch up are unfounded. Everybody knows where they would stand and what finishing the pre split fixtures in a given position would mean. That would shift attention to pre-split fixutres. It would never be work as it means Rangers or Celtic may have to visit the othe 3 times. Imagine Rangers visit Celtic twice pre split and miss out on first post split because of defeat in the extra game at Celtic... They would then be forced to play at Celtic again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilian Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 That would shift attention to pre-split fixutres. It would never be work as it means Rangers or Celtic may have to visit the othe 3 times. Imagine Rangers visit Celtic twice pre split and miss out on first post split because of defeat in the extra game at Celtic... They would then be forced to play at Celtic again. thats exactly why every football fan outwith the old firm should back something like it as right now every team bar the old firm are open to getting shafted. just for reference , here's the link to last seasons thread on the same subject. (interesting note made in it by tweed that we only had 8 Sat 3pm ko at Fir Park last season) would love to see the thread from the year before when we got royally screwed, last years was quite tame as everyone was distracted by the Scottish cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickoza Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Interesting Could we get both Old Firm teams at Fir Park? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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