mightywellscott Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 Scottish Premier League clubs have voted at Hampden not to introduce fixed punishments for clubs reforming as new companies known as "newcos". That will be next move for Hearts then !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 That will be next move for Hearts then !! hearts owe all their debt to vlad. newco isn't an option for them. i don't think killie could pull it off either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 Scottish Premier League clubs have voted at Hampden not to introduce fixed punishments for clubs reforming as new companies known as "newcos". That will be next move for Hearts then !! The SPL bottled it as we all knew they would, they were shit scared of upsetting the blue ugly sister...sporting integrity...they are having a laugh. So the message is clear Lie, cheat, dont pay your tax on time, spend other peoples money, and run your club not giving a toss about other teams..but dont worry when it all goes pear shaped, just ditch the old club and all your debts and we will welcome you back as a newco, with no punishment. They should hang their heads in shame, To paraphrase Burns "bought and sold for TV and comercial gold, such a parcel of rouges in an organisation" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 The SPL bottled it as we all knew they would, they were shit scared of upsetting the blue ugly sister...sporting integrity...they are having a laugh. So the message is clear Lie, cheat, dont pay your tax on time, spend other peoples money, and run your club not giving a toss about other teams..but dont worry when it all goes pear shaped, just ditch the old club and all your debts and we will welcome you back as a newco, with no punishment. They should hang their heads in shame, To paraphrase Burns "bought and sold for TV and comercial gold, such a parcel of rouges in an organisation" It's only fixed punishments they don't want; they haven't advocated 'no punishment'. You might be right, but it could be they want to punish Rangers with a bigger penalty than a club that has honest financial issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 It's only fixed punishments they don't want; they haven't advocated 'no punishment'. You might be right, but it could be they want to punish Rangers with a bigger penalty than a club that has honest financial issues. such as? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamH Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 I'm quite happy with the outcome of todays meeting. Firstly, there's no guarantee that they'll get voted into the SPL and secondly they don't know what the punishment will be if they do get voted in as each case is going to be dealt with on it's own merits. Can't see that helping with Charles Green's recruitment drive for his consortium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoMaSano Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 The main important outcome from todays meeting is that a Newco will now need to be voted in by member clubs at an EGM, rather than approval fromt he SPL board. Seeing as the SPL board contains Doncaster and Ralph Topping + 4 clubs (just now it's 'Well, United, St J and Celtic) and Topping gets the deciding vote, only 1 club would be needed to vote for the Newco to be ushered in. Now Topping and Doncaster will get no say and 5 out of 12 clubs voting 'No' would block the re-entry of Rangers. No way of knowing how every club will vote, but seeing as how Rangers have p!ssed a lot of people off by going to the Court of Session, I'm more confident in them being told politely where to go than I was before todays meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 I think they also learned very quickly from the court ruling and have purposely left available punishmnet wide open and not retricted themselves to "available" options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underboyleheating Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 No way of knowing how every club will vote, but seeing as how Rangers have p!ssed a lot of people off by going to the Court of Session, I'm more confident in them being told politely where to go than I was before todays meeting. And you would like to think that Motherwell will vote against Stuart McCalls wishes. If this comes to pass, and it’s a big if, will the fans get to know how each of the member clubs voted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 And you would like to think that Motherwell will vote against Stuart McCalls wishes. If this comes to pass, and it's a big if, will the fans get to know how each of the member clubs voted? i'm fairly certain the vote will go this way. the poor clubs - us, ict, st johnstone, dundee united, st mirren, ross county, killie, - plus rangers will vote it through and take the heat for it. celtic and aberdeen will vote against it because the majority of their supporters hate rangers vehemently. it's complete posturing from both of them as we know and lawell knows how much celtic fans stick by their team - we've played their twice to sub 20,000 crowds recently - and with no old firm games and a team who aren't competitive in europe every day is mother's day. milne is tight as fuck and wants a 10 team league but he'll be pleased to make an empty gesture with their white elephant stadium on the horizon. hibs will vote against it because petrie needs to get fans on side after running them into the ground and killing rangers is about the only thing farmer will invest his own cash in hibs for. the other owners will make sure vlad's vote is meaningless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 i'm fairly certain the vote will go this way. the poor clubs - us, ict, st johnstone, dundee united, st mirren, ross county, killie, - plus rangers will vote it through and take the heat for it. celtic and aberdeen will vote against it because the majority of their supporters hate rangers vehemently. it's complete posturing from both of them as we know and lawell knows how much celtic fans stick by their team - we've played their twice to sub 20,000 crowds recently - and with no old firm games and a team who aren't competitive in europe every day is mother's day. milne is tight as fuck and wants a 10 team league but he'll be pleased to make an empty gesture with their white elephant stadium on the horizon. hibs will vote against it because petrie needs to get fans on side after running them into the ground and killing rangers is about the only thing farmer will invest his own cash in hibs for. the other owners will make sure vlad's vote is meaningless. NewRangers won't be able to vote thereselves into the league. Also, ross county surely won't be reliant on the rangers cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 NewRangers won't be able to vote thereselves into the league. Also, ross county surely won't be reliant on the rangers cash. i would have thought old rangers will though. they would still hold a membership share at the time of the vote as long as they haven't been liquidated. any newco vote will be most likely be prior to liquidation commencing. re ross county - george adams had an ebt so i think we can expect them to nod it through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tassinari Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Clarification of the comments just received in 'Stuart McCall Direct' email. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonwellfan Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 I'm trying to copy and past the email but it's not working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underboyleheating Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Good afternoon 'Well fans, I felt I had to email you to explain the comments reported in the Scottish Sun this week as I know this whole issue is causing some worry and anxiety for our fans. I need to clear it up as while the report is accurate and I did say these comments, they are not in the context in which I meant them when I spoke to Kenny MacDonald. Firstly, it is worth pointing out that this interview took place weeks ago – before the Dundee United game as I recall and the vast majority of it centred on Leeds United which is rightly reflected in the article. Why it has taken so long to get to print, I am not too sure. The significance of that is that I understand some of the feelings around this issue have become heightened since then, particularly in recent times following Mark Daly's BBC Documentary broadcast last week; incidentally a programme I have not seen as I was at an Under 20s tournament in Holland. I think it is also worthwhile highlighting the clubs' position which has been made clear to me and made public last week which is a fairly simple one. They (the Board that is) can only really take a stance if a 'Newco' application is brought in front of them – and that will come after discussions with you, the fans which is a very responsible line and one I not only support but applaud. I understand representatives from the board took part in discussions at the SPL yesterday and the outcomes of that were made public which brings more clarity. That's a good thing, as is the SPL taking a similar position to the MFC Board on that 'Newco' issue. But let me try and explain what I meant by some of the comments in the paper which, as I've said, look much different in print than they do in a discussion. The caveat to it all, and I've been quoted on this before on the Motherwell website, MFC TV and various news source; Rangers should absolutely, without question, be punished for any wrongdoing that has happened or may prove to have happened. In the paper I was quoted as saying the SPL would be in serious trouble. By that, I simply meant the current standard and quality of Scottish Football as we all know it now. Some people might be quite happy with that in that they don't think much of what we have anyway, I don't know, that is very much up to you as an individual to make up your own mind and I respect every fans view on it. Would there be a TV deal? Yes, I think there would be just not of the same value as now. That combined with other revenue streams that would dry up would essentially mean our club would have to downsize pretty radically and very quickly. Look, at the moment we are pretty much competing with some League One, some League Two and even non-league clubs in England for players. In recent years, Motherwell fans have enjoyed players like Chris Porter, Lukas Jutkiewicz, John Ruddy, Darren Randolph, Nicky Law, Giles Coke, Nick Blackman, Steve Jennings and others because we are just about able to compete with those leagues I mentioned. If you reduce the budget to the extent we have talked about then none of that is possible. It's not about what other clubs do, it's about us and who we can attract to come and play at Fir Park! That's not a threat; it is, I am afraid, the reality of the situation. We are constantly losing good players from the SPL who are choosing to go and play in England. Yes, that's happened for a while now but just look at the players in recent seasons that have crossed the border which weakens our league. Just about every SPL club has an example from Maguire at Aberdeen, Bryson and Kilmarnock, Goodwillie and Conway at Dundee Utd and so on. Reduce the budget and we naturally have to reduce the quality of player that we can bring to the club. A 'lesser' player equates to a 'lesser' product on the park for supporters. As much as we want to win football games, we also want and have a duty to entertain and give value for money. Our better players are being drained away from the SPL. Massively reduce what we spend and that is exacerbated even more. I think it would also have a serious implication to the people who work for the club off the park too. I've only been here eighteen months but even in that time, I can see for myself some of the great strides that have been made by the club and those that run it day-to-day to make it more fan-friendly, to improve communication and administration, to better community links, to improve the youth infrastructure and that can only happen with the budget we have currently. Reduce the budget to the level predicted and, unfortunately, a great deal of what you come to expect from your club on a day-to-day basis becomes very difficult to maintain. I just want what is best for Motherwell Football Club! I am also very, very keen to stress that what I have said either previously or in this email is not in any way influenced by what club is involved. Yes, I was a Rangers player and enjoyed my time at the club but my focus is on Motherwell FC. I would be saying the exact same thing if Celtic were in the same situation and again, I have gone on record as saying that. The board has already said they will consult with you, the fans before making a call, if that comes around. If what I have said above is something everyone in the game in this country is prepared to accept, then I respect that too and we will all do our very best to try and overcome that! You may not agree with what I have said, but it gives you a better understanding of what I meant and not spread over a couple of paragraphs that didn't quite get across what I was trying to say. It's not about the preservation of another club; it's about the continuous growth of this football club, building on the three of four years of success and growth. I reckon it would be such a shame if that whole process was jeopardised and hamstrung through no fault of the clubs. So please all be assured that as the Board have said whatever decision is taken and whatever our role as a club our focus is on what's best for Motherwell long term and that means the sustainable success of our club. We think that goes hand in hand with the integrity of our sport. That will be our focus. Meantime let's not let the worries elsewhere distract us too much from the hope and happiness around our Club. We have a lot to look forward to and we must stand together to keep growing the success of our team and our club which I know we can. Thanks for taking the time to read and I look forward to seeing you all again either at one of our pre-season matches or the big Champions League match in late July. All the best, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 great email. the paragraph about building on our success sums the entire situation up for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Now we're welding A thank you from me Mr McCall. Don't think reply was required, we are where we are... Time for those who suggest punishing the club they portray to 'support' to rap up and get with the programme. And from somebody who would have driven the manager back Southwards after 6 weeks too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dosser1886 Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Fair play to him, excellent e-mail as ever. We are lucky to have this type of direct communication from a Manager who is willing to interact with the fans and cover issues that he is aware of or is reading on here.. BUT Still torn, I want Rangers to be royally fucked for all that they have done and are still doing, but don't want my club to be fucked at the same time. That is the main issue with all of this do we want to cut back, accept lesser players and a worse football product, take a hit both off and on the pitch to get the boot in or are we cutting our nose off to spite our face. Personally I think we take the hit, we cannot let these fuckers get away with what they have been up to. We need to restore some faith that intergrity in football can come ahead of money for once. May regret it but it's how I feel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonwellfan Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Personally I think we take the hit, we cannot let these fuckers get away with what they have been up to. We need to restore some faith that intergrity in football can come ahead of money for once. May regret it but it's how I feel. Aye me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn_Broomfield Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 This statement from John McBeth sums up the direction Scottish Football should be looking to move in. If you look after the sport the money will follow you, if you look after the money you'll kill the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Don't agree with everything he's said, but still a huge 'well played' to McCall for that e-mail. It would have been easy to simply ignore the concerns raised by fans and wait for it to blow over, but I've been constantly impressed with our gaffer's desire to communicate thoroughly with the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaag Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Am I the only one that doesn't think he writes these emails?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Don't agree with everything he's said, but still a huge 'well played' to McCall for that e-mail. It would have been easy to simply ignore the concerns raised by fans and wait for it to blow over, but I've been constantly impressed with our gaffer's desire to communicate thoroughly with the fans. Agree with that. Like you, there are still things in there I disagree with, but not surprised to read that a tabloid has taken an old interview out of context to grab some headlines. Fair play to the guy for being up front with the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonwellfan Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Am I the only one that doesn't think he writes these emails?!? I actually think he writes them mind you that could me being naive. So its me naive v you cynic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcalf Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 This statement from John McBeth sums up the direction Scottish Football should be looking to move in. If you look after the sport the money will follow you, if you look after the money you'll kill the sport. Much as I want the club I love to survive and prosper at all levels, the cheating has to be punished. I'm not one for advocating punishment for the sake of it but at this level it cannot be overlooked. We will lose out one way or another. I would much rather lose out from the hefty punihsment meted out to Rangers than see our own fans walk away should they be treated leniently. We can rebuild with our fans behind us and everyone pulling in the same direction, allowing cheats to prosper may save a few bob short term but what comes then? Crowds dwindle to nothing but hey it's okay we have 2% of the TV money for another year. Who needs fans anyway? Personally I would quite happily see scaling back if it means we are no longer reliant on Old Firm income, live within our means and we'll be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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