gilmour Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Firstly, this is 'Flow posting from the Official Club account on here as I don't have a personal one. The real sad thing is opinions have now become some polarised, people post anything without fear of failure and the snowball effect beings. I am going to try and answer a few points without wanting to go into a large debate. I know what I post here will be ripped and pulled a part, but it's the truth. If people want to believe it, great... If you don't want to believe it and think I am a part of a stitch up job involving the board and others running the club, then that's also fine. I would hope most that know me and know how I feel about the club and the fans, of which I am one, will know which one to be true. 1. First of all - to the point by 'Gilmour' I think it was, taking exception to a quote that was attributed to me. You will notice that it said some fans have threatened not to renew based on the outcome of the Rangers situation. Not all fans, some fans. That is true - if you search this thread, twitter, Facebook, Google+, email and other communications outlets, we have been subject to that threat constantly. That's absolutely people's right to do so - I've got no beef with that. I never said all fans or you personally. I did say to the reporter about the recession and people's diminishing ability to afford in tough financial times but that didn't make the cut.... There's not much I can do about that. 2. No statement has been released on the 'vote' because it has still to be independently verified which will happen on Monday. Turnout was very, very high and the club collated the last of the votes this morning after people hand delivered last night. The result is fairly clear but until we have it verified, it's only right and proper that we don't announce anything officially. To suggest that nothing has been announced because in some ways the club are scared of what the vote will say is pretty farfetched to say the least. Had the club been scared of the outcome, I doubt the board would have put it to the vote as it doesn't take a genius to work out what way it was likely to go. 3. I have also read suggestions that because Derek Weir is on the board of the SPL, he would have played some part in the document that was published by STV a few days ago. Well, to copy and paste a reply I added to FirParkCorner earlier: I think it's worthwhile starting by saying that neither I or the club can comment or put out a statement for every media story or bit of speculation that may turn out in a newspaper or website - certainly not with deadlines that's for sure. We would be here all day and it would take us away from the job of trying to improve the club in every area which is our main focus. I can confirm no one from Motherwell Football Club had any input into the production of the document you linked and in fact had not seen it prior it to it being distributed. Furthermore, no one from the club has taken part in any discussion with anyone from the Scottish Football League. Any discussions between the Scottish FA (SFA), Scottish Premier League (SPL) or Scottish Football League (SFL) would take place between the executives of each organisation. We, as a club, will not be a party to threatening any other club. Regardless of what league they may play in, each club is free to make their own decisions on any issue as they see fit. 4. Not addressing any particular point, but what I would say is this. Motherwell Football Club have tried to be as open, honest and as transparent as possible during this whole process. It's not easy - indeed, the consequences for our football club are pretty dire to be quite honest and I don't think the gravity of the situation has quite filtered its way down perhaps the way it should (and I speak generally on this whole subject). I take a great sense of pride as a supporter at the progress the club has made in the last four years both on and off the pitch. The ultimate sadness in all this mess for me is that a massive amount of that work is very likely to be threatened through no fault of our own. If/when Rangers FC are not permitted back into the SPL, then the very future (and that's not scaremongering, threatening or anything else - it's the truth) of the club in the short-term will be fully dependant on every single fan who holds Motherwell dear to their heart to really muck in. Dark and difficult times - but with the hope and positivity that at the other end, we can immerge stronger and fitter as a result. Steelmen Forever 'Flow Thank you for taking the time to reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 I also felt it only fair to come back on and update everyone regarding the ballot, given it was me who posted on Saturday about it. The results have now been independently verified and agreed. No statement today though. Leeann D has been in meetings all day today and will play a part in penning our formal response. She is due back at Fir Park to finalise results and statement tomorrow. Cheers Flow Works for me. thanks Flow ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 I also felt it only fair to come back on and update everyone regarding the ballot, given it was me who posted on Saturday about it. The results have now been independently verified and agreed. No statement today though. Leeann D has been in meetings all day today and will play a part in penning our formal response. She is due back at Fir Park to finalise results and statement tomorrow. Cheers Flow Brilliant, thanks flow. Up to date as you can get folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggischomper Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Hundependence Day is here and, truly, we are damned if we do, damned if we don't. So, please, Motherwell FC, ensure we do the right thing. Integrity matters more than you realise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Jim Spence reporting that there is unlikely to be a vote today. The SFA, SPL and the SFL need to read the UEFA Articles - specifically 2F. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Made Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Jim Spence reporting that there is unlikely to be a vote today. The SFA, SPL and the SFL need to read the UEFA Articles - specifically 2F. Is today not just for the SFL Clubs? I though the SPL Clubs voted tomorrow, the 4th of July. Read yesterday that the SFL don't need to vote today as Sevco haven't officially been rejected by the SPL yet. Once this has been done, they need to call a meeting for the vote to take place. Requires a minimum of 5 days notice, so the earliest the SFL will vote will be Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 That's even more of a reason to SPL Meeting - 4 July 2012 5 (Working?) Days - 9 July/11 July 2012 Leaves Dundee, Airdrie United etc. 2-3 weeks to prepare for a higher league. Absolute joke, when if they just read the Statues then their would be no need for a vote, especially on the premise that the SPL and SDFL have been told by the "powers that be!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 East Fife FC want to make clear our views on the current “Newco” situation as it relates to SFL membership. We have taken into account the views of over 500 of our supporters who responded to our survey. We retain an open mind on the subject of league reconstruction, and will carefully consider any proposal put to us in this regard. The board of directors of East Fife FC, however, is unanimous in its view that we shall not support any integrated plan that in our view compromises sporting integrity by involving the admission of any ‘Newco’ directly into Division One. Any “Newco” must follow the normal application route into the bottom tier. Sid Collumbine Chairman, East Fife FC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Made Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 I can see your point but they'd be voting on something that hasn't happened yet. Just like Motherwell didn't want to reveal how they'd vote prior to Oldco going into Liquidation. Going by today newspapers the SFL vote may not be required. Then again that could just be Green trying to put doubt into the minds of thiose that have already said No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Say what you like about Aberdeen - they've been on the ball on this with their statements. Already released a statement that the only avenue open to Sevco in their opinion is Third Division and they are not party to any behind the scene talks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Going by today newspapers the SFL vote may not be required. Then again that could just be Green trying to put doubt into the minds of thiose that have already said No. Stranded in England this morning. What is there in the papers this morning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted July 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Stranded in England this morning. What is there in the papers this morning? Nowt much mate! Charles Green is gonna let 'I can't believe its not rangers' play in the spl, say sorry, pay a couple of bills and take a points hit to save us all from oblivion. A few chairmen are already inside apparently. Things should all be ironed out lovely by the time you get back. (check out the 'Rainjurs Debacle' thread) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 My link Daily Record Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Daily Record for those who can't get the link - RANGERS and a breakaway group of SPL clubs were last night on the brink of a compromise deal which would secure the Ibrox club’s place in the top flight. Frantic talks have been held in secret between Charles Green and a number of SPL chairmen who fear at least three of their members could be shut down if Rangers newco are forced to begin life in the SFL’s Third Division. They had hoped the SFL would accommodate Rangers in the First Division but because some lower-league clubs have been railing against such a compromise, more than a few top-flight outfits are panic-stricken. They have been warned as much as £15million could be wiped off the value of their deals with Sky and ESPN if Rangers are frozen out of the SPL for more than one season. Already they fear being denied the £645,000 they are each due to receive from the TV companies on August 6. And without that revenue and additional slices of the financial pie later in the year it is feared several SPL clubs, perhaps including Kilmarnock, Motherwell and Dundee United, could be facing closure. The SFL will meet today to discuss a raft of demands if they are to take in Scottish football’s unwanted club but the SPL will gather tomorrow when they might well perform one of the most spectacular U-turns ever instead of kicking Rangers out. Seven of them – Aberdeen, Dundee United, Hearts, Hibernian, Inverness, St Johnstone and St Mirren – have already made it clear they wouldn’t vote to let Rangers back in to the top flight but financial reality is biting hard. They and others are being forced to think again. And we can reveal they are also considering changing tomorrow’s crucial vote from a show of hands to a secret ballot but last night further talks aimed at saving the game were held in the hope of gathering enough support to keep Rangers in the SPL. Record Sport can reveal a six-point punishment package has all but been agreed by Green who is desperate to keep his club in the SPL. The deal is: ● Back SPL voting reform which would destroy the Old Firm’s voting power. ● Rangers must approve and support a more equitable SPL income distribution which would cut payments to the Old Firm. ● Rangers must accept a points deduction. ● They also have to agree to pay all UK and European football debts. ● The transfer embargo they had overturned in the Court of Session must remain. ● A public apology must be made and Rangers must also accept responsibility for past misdemeanours. Green, worried that not every club will have been made aware of the compromise on offer, has started speaking directly with chairmen and owners and a source at the heart of the secret talks said: “These are substantial punishments which are being suggested and have been on the table for almost four weeks. It is not a last minute package. “But it is feared some clubs may not be aware of the comprehensive nature of the offer on the table so time is of the essence. Green has a helicopter at the ready and will fly anywhere and anytime to every club in the SPL to speak directly with the chairmen and owners. “It is not just Rangers who face oblivion. The entire future of Scottish football as we know it is at stake. This is the nature of the crisis with which we are now faced.” Our source also made it clear it’s the threat to crucial TV money which has sparked the frantic rounds of last minute talks and stressed: “Sky and ESPN are willing to tolerate one year without Rangers in the top flight but they have been shocked by the suggestion Rangers might be out the SPL for three years. “The stark reality we are now facing is that if Rangers are relegated and SFL clubs then force them down into the Third Division, as has been suggested, the SPL’s remaining teams will face their own financial Armageddon. “As many as FIVE teams, possibly among them Motherwell, Dundee United and Kilmarnock could go to the wall and the beginning of the end could start as soon as August 6. “That’s the date every club receives a cheque for £645,000 which is the first tranche of next season’s TV money.” Without that cash some clubs won’t be able to pay wage bills and will then face financial meltdown. It’s thought that during talks with TV chiefs last month it was indicated they would operate for 12 months without Rangers in the SPL despite having a deal which promises four Old Firm matches each season. But since those talks there have been stronger suggestions that the SFL might vote to put Rangers in the bottomdivision and a source close to the telly negotiations said: “This came as a massive surprise. The threat to the TV money means we are staring into an immediate financial abyss. “By voting Rangers out of the SPL and forcing them into the Third Division clubs will be voting for their own demise. “Not only would the SPL clubs lose their TV revenues, the smaller clubs would lose the £2m drip feed they receive from the SPL. That represents a huge proportion of their revenues. “So they too would be voting for oblivion. In the light of this dramatic and unexpected change in circumstances SPL clubs are being asked to think again before they decide to eject Rangers from the SPL. “Many club bosses have been making statements in recent days and weeks saying they will vote Rangers out but they need to re-assess the situation and let the fans know the realities their own clubs now face. “They need to think again and think very hard about what they are doing.” By changing the vote on Rangers’ future from a show of hands to a secret ballot it is believed that some chairmen will find it easier to change their minds. “If the SPL votes Rangers out they put their futures in the hands of the SFL who would then be able to vote Rangers into the Third Division and effectively terminate the TV deal,” our source said. “The initial plan was to see Rangers out for 12 months with the expectation they would bounce straight back and Sky had no wish to effectively kill the Scottish game by pulling their deal. “They were willing to compromise and the resurrection of the Glasgow Cup, which would probably result in an Old Firm game, was suggested along with arrangements for friendly matches between Rangers and Celtic to help their situation by boosting viewing figures and advertising revenues. “That’s up in the air now as it was never anticipated the smaller clubs would flex their muscles in this way. “The situation is at critical level with so many SPL teams unable to continue if Sky pull their cash. This isn’t scare-mongering, just plain fact.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Usual Jim Traynor paranoia...No named sources aka made up shite. No one is in any doubt that times are really hard but clubs need to sort their finances out and stop being so reliant on one income source. Realistic wages for players, a lot of players released and should be easy to deal with. Even if the whole of Scottish Football has to take the hit then they must do it so that we can move forward as one knowing no club is favoured above any other and every club must be dealt with under the rules that every club agreed to be bound by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotherwellVet89 Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Say what you like about Aberdeen - they've been on the ball on this with their statements. Already released a statement that the only avenue open to Sevco in their opinion is Third Division and they are not party to any behind the scene talks. BBC website this morning has a piece about Derek Weir's resignation, with a footnote about the club distancing themselves from the behind the scenes talks: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18683703 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dundeesteelman Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 BBC website this morning has a piece about Derek Weir's resignation, with a footnote about the club distancing themselves from the behind the scenes talks: http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/18683703 Looks like it has been lifted straight off the forum......as usual!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnstone Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 This all needs to be sorted out now. The longer it goes on the more the game will suffer. Just make the fucking decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuwell Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 In Cyprus at the mo and just looked in to see how things are developing but it seems to be the same,same as when I left on sun. - everyone wants them in the 3rd but the papers are still talking about ways to keep them in the spl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Chick Young Stolen from another forum, funny how Chick Young can change his tune when its SEVCO who are under threat. 'But I have a problem with clubs who can eject their debt by going into administration and then resume normal service in the same division while former employees - and not just players - are left drowning in a sea of debt. It is morally wrong.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoF Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Record Sport can reveal a six-point punishment package has all but been agreed by Green who is desperate to keep his club in the SPL. The deal is: ● Back SPL voting reform which would destroy the Old Firm’s voting power. THIS IS NOT A PUNISHMENT ● Rangers must approve and support a more equitable SPL income distribution which would cut payments to the Old Firm. THIS IS NOT A PUNISHMENT ● Rangers must accept a points deduction. ● They also have to agree to pay all UK and European football debts. THIS IS NOT A PUNISHMENT ● The transfer embargo they had overturned in the Court of Session must remain. ● A public apology must be made and Rangers must also accept responsibility for past misdemeanours. THIS IS NOT A PUNISHMENT So it's a 2 point punishment plan really isn't it? Very honourable of you green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Rangers have about a dozen players. How could they agree to an embargo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted July 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Because it prevents expulsion and Lee McCulloch can play in 4 positions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 I read Trainors story this morning, I would really like to think its a lot of bull, any chairman doing a U-turn now would send the game into a major meltdown. The story isn't even consistent. First paragraph we have got 3 clubs facing admin, then at the end we are up to 5. Talk of losing £650k tv money in august for this season? TV deal is in place for this season, we won't see any problems until next season. Green got the helicopter ready to fly to every chairman? A bit sensationalist but maybe he does have it ready, but only because he's sh!ting himself that even the rangers fans are not buying into him never mind anyone else. Un-named sources?? In the last few weeks we have read 'un named sources' at sky saying they have no intention of pulling out, and other 'un named sources' saying they will. It could all be true and then no-doubt we are all fucked. But I am reasonably comfortable that this is just scare mongering at its worst and a last throw of the dice by the corrupt journo's who know that there might have to be cut backs in their game as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted July 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Depends whether the SPL chief exec discloses that they're actually 'contracted' to have sevco in the SPL by 2013 Hang on got Jim spence on the other line Whits that Jim? Yer jokin? He hasny just said that at Hampden huz he? Holy fuck! Cheers Jim, bye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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