nethertonwellfan Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 If it's a secret ballot then it's utter cowardice from the SPL clubs. It seems that the full of Scottish football are scared to make a decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_P Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Is Boyle not owed £300k odd from the club according to the letter that was put out with the newco vote? If so he might be exerting more influence behind the scenes than what he ought to, if he believes that his money might be at risk by no voting the c***s back. In addition i don't seem to recollect any confirmation of him handing his shares over to the Well Society yet. All very strange with Mr Weir stepping down from his position yesterday as to what's going on. I don't know about that one. That particular debt has been considerably higher than the £300k or whatever it is currently and has been ongoing through a number of years. I don't know what the full ins and outs of that agreement are but its been said before that the terms are favourable to the club. I could well be wrong but I don't see the £300k due to him being a major factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Even if Boyle was able to exert some influence& wanted to vote yes, there would still be no point in doing so when there are more than 5clubs saying no! Decisions essentially been made, to vote against the overwhelming tide with nothing to be gained is commercial suicide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villageman Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 I don't think I've read anywhere that any teams will be kept above us at all costs. I'm sure other clubs probably felt same when we finished bottom and were not relegated. Like I said personal choice and don't care who it is against. Quite correct. You haven't read the words "above us at all costs". However the rules now being proposed are 1) Newco placed in SFL1 and 2) Play offs to ensure that The Newco end up promoted. These rules are certainly placing them above the rest of the teams in the SFL at all costs. Furthermore inmo if the new rules are not successful in achieving the desired result a newer set of rules will be proposed to solve that problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishaestevie Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Jim Spence tweeted this to-day during the SFL meeting 'Sfa will not allow rfc newco into spl says Stewart Regan' Suggests the vote is pointless anyway or they were just trying to bully SFL into allowing Sevco into Division 1.Did no-one else pick this up ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daver Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 I know it was Jim Treanor but he said on Radio Scotland tonight that he's spoken to two chairmen who've said they won't be able to go on if they don't get their August payment from Sky (600 odd grand). When asked if they were west coast he said yes. As this leaves us, Killie and St. Mirren (assuming it's not Celtic ) it's very worrying if true and would explain why there may be talks going on in the background. I understand many people would walk away but chairmen may be acting in the knowledge that they're either going to have a club with a reduced fan base or no club at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 The fact he said Chairmen.....technically we don't have anyone in that position.....I'd say Killie and St Mirren. Both have hinted at 'Yes' votes as well have they not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLip69 Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 I know it was Jim Treanor but he said on Radio Scotland tonight that he's spoken to two chairmen who've said they won't be able to go on if they don't get their August payment from Sky (600 odd grand). When asked if they were west coast he said yes. As this leaves us, Killie and St. Mirren (assuming it's not Celtic ) it's very worrying if true and would explain why there may be talks going on in the background. I understand many people would walk away but chairmen may be acting in the knowledge that they're either going to have a club with a reduced fan base or no club at all. Two points. First, Jim Traynor is a lying toerag, he is bending and twisting facts and comments to fit his agenda. Ignore him. Secondly, Sky have already said they will not pull out of Scottish football. This season anyway, everybody's Sky money is safe. There will be no renegotiation of this years cash, but there may well be for the following season. That's why Doncaster et al are desperate to get Sevco ino Divison one, next years money may be at threat. SPL boards have a season in which to sort themselves out financially, the bonus being, without Servco, the 11-1 voting system works in their favour and they can vote for a fairer share of cash the following season. A personal opinion. Rangers average is about 9k at Fir Park, the biggest crowd we've had for ages was against Nancy, circa 11k iirc, what kind of gate are we likely to get against the likes of Dynamo Kiev, or Fenerhbace (sp). Then if we lose that and drop into the Europa the chances are an even bigger name could be on their way to Fir Park. I'm pretty sure those matches will more than make up for the loss of Sevco. Given that Sevco will be replaced, hopefully by Dundee, I really dont see what there is to worry about for Motherwell. We are looking in better shape going into next season than most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Two points. First, Jim Traynor is a lying toerag, he is bending and twisting facts and comments to fit his agenda. Ignore him. Secondly, Sky have already said they will not pull out of Scottish football. This season anyway, everybody's Sky money is safe. There will be no renegotiation of this years cash, but there may well be for the following season. That's why Doncaster et al are desperate to get Sevco ino Divison one, next years money may be at threat. SPL boards have a season in which to sort themselves out financially, the bonus being, without Servco, the 11-1 voting system works in their favour and they can vote for a fairer share of cash the following season. A personal opinion. Rangers average is about 9k at Fir Park, the biggest crowd we've had for ages was against Nancy, circa 11k iirc, what kind of gate are we likely to get against the likes of Dynamo Kiev, or Fenerhbace (sp). Then if we lose that and drop into the Europa the chances are an even bigger name could be on their way to Fir Park. I'm pretty sure those matches will more than make up for the loss of Sevco. Given that Sevco will be replaced, hopefully by Dundee, I really dont see what there is to worry about for Motherwell. We are looking in better shape going into next season than most. At £30 a pop, we won't match the Nancy crowd.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 The fact he said Chairmen.....technically we don't have anyone in that position.....I'd say Killie and St Mirren. Both have hinted at 'Yes' votes as well have they not? andrew wilson is the chairman surely? not sure if he would talk to traynor though being an snp man. Secondly, Sky have already said they will not pull out of Scottish football. This season anyway, everybody's Sky money is safe. There will be no renegotiation of this years cash, but there may well be for the following season. no they haven't. newscorp placed a story in the sun suggesting that but there has been no guarantee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Presumably this is why there has been no statement from MFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punk_in_drublic Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Just saw that link, if the SPL delay in order to see how the SFL vote then it just highlights a complete lack of conviction. I feel for the SFL clubs a bit here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweed Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 I actually feel for them all, effectively they are signing their own death warrant whatever they do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Read THIS earlier today. Don't give it much credence, but it's about us so thought I'd post the link. I can't copy and paste from the blog, so you'll have to click the link. what a load of shite. if anything it's far more likely that boyle would be up for booting them and out and weir has stepped back because he doesn't want to take on the responsibilty of treating a self inflicted wound. here's another gem from phil's twisted mind. A recent piece by Kevin McKenna painted a somewhat Pollyanna-ish picture of our community, the Irish in Scotland. McKenna and I are of the same ethnicity and the same generation. Born in the 1950s, we would both be in our 30s before occupational parity was achieved in Glasgow for Irish Catholics in 1991. The Irish who went to New York instead of Glasgow achieved that economic benchmark status in 1901. I know from my time in Glasgow as a youth worker in the 1980s and as a social worker in the 1990s that men of Irish Catholic ethnicity were disproportionately represented in the prison population. That continues to be the case. The Irish in Scotland also have a much worse health profile than the rest of the country. Of the notorious "famine song" football chant, Kevin says: "… it's simply not that abusive; a little off-colour, perhaps, and a tad wounding, yes. Abusive and racist? Behave yourself." Thankfully Lord Justice Carloway disagreed in June 2009 when he ruled of the lyrics of the famine song: "… they are racist in calling upon people native to Scotland to leave the country because of their racial origins. This is a sentiment which … many persons will find offensive." In what other context would it be acceptable to taunt an ethnic group about a famine that extinguished a million lives and forced another million into permanent exile? What other community is told to "go home" by tens of thousands of football supporters week in week out in soccer stadiums across the country? It can't be a coincidence that the city that gave the world the "famine song" is unique in that, despite receiving thousands of famine refugees, it has no city centre memorial to that time and to those people. Recently a St Patrick's Day concert by a folk band from Donegal was stopped due to protests from locals in a small town near Glasgow. The city itself has no city centre St Patrick's Day parade. McKenna may feel completely assimilated and comfortable in his Scottish skin, but he will not find any positive portrayal of his Irish forebears in the stories Scotland tells about itself. I finally left Glasgow in the mid-1990s. I wanted better for my young family. Since then my native city's intolerance of all things Irish has, if anything, got worse. The Scotland that schooled both McKenna and I was built on generations of Irish sweat and often Irish blood. I don't owe the place a thing. If McKenna is happy to be Scottish in Scotland then I'm happy for him. It is basic human right to be able to self-define. However many others of Irish extraction find that their seat is still at the back of the bus in Scotland. Last weekend, like McKenna, I also filled out a census, the Irish one. These words blink to life on Ireland's Atlantic coast in the parish that reared generations of my clan, including my father. Philip Joseph Gerard Mac Giolla Bhain has only ever had an Irish passport. This is my island. I'm glad I'm home in Ireland with my young Irish family and although we have many problems here, having become a virtual protectorate of the IMF, it still isn't a social crime to assert an Irish identity. I can't say that is the case for Scotland yet. Pretending that a cultural oppression doesn't exist merely compounds the disempowerment. the c**t is fruitloop and the line about the electric bar at the end tells you exactly how his mind works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 andrew wilson is the chairman surely?. When was this announcement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 When was this announcement? had a google and it seems he isn't. i just assumed he was due to the way he ran the society meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Might be a 'promotion' coming his way right enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 So the plan to give Rangers a retrospective points deduction ensuring they're relegated to the First Division now seems to have risen its head again... Surely we'd be entitled to a tidy wee 2nd placed prize sum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 That would mean a trading profit no..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonwellfan Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 That would mean a trading profit no..... Aye and we can give it all to Faddy to sign for a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanr Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 Straight question to the board of MFC: Assuming we haven't been part of the bullying of the SFL clubs can we leave the SPL and apply to be part of their league setup? We seem to have got caught up with a bad crowd somewhere and need to reassess why we are a football club. The SPL has not worked yet it continues blackmail and bully those less well off than itself and has been show to be corrupt. It is an embarrassment and I am ashamed that we are part of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 It's an idea that's been floating about for weeks, but it's suddenly being mentioned a few places again. Could be nothing in it of course. I'd be more agreeable to a retrospective points deduction, assuming we received the prize money for 2nd place (and also got to list 'SPL Runner-Up 2011/12' in our honours... ). Presumably the extra money would also take the edge off a bit for us. It would still be a complete cop out, but it would still see the SPL clubs standing firm against bringing a newco back into the SPL and it would also fore-go the need for any more bullying of the SFL clubs. Although the end result is the same if Rangers are to be in the First Division next year, I'd far prefer that method than actually shoe-horning in a newco. This method would also mean the only real problem left was whether Dunfermline or Dundee would play in the SPL next season, although the Pars would have the stronger argument. As I said, could be nothing in it and I don't give it much credence myself - but when you consider some of the other things that have went on recently, it's not too mental a proposal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punk_in_drublic Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 With regards to the point made by AlanR; this is exactly what I have been thinking today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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