weeyin Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 I remember when it used to be men that stood beside me in The Shed. They never looked for thanks (or expected apologies if the team under performed). The whole world's gone soft, I tell ye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 I'll admit I'm out of touch with UK laws these days, but that not illegal? Do you not have to be a registered charity to avoid VAT? I would not have thought so. We entered the ground using our season tickets legally which we'd paid for (including giving £70 to the Treasury in the form of VAT). If we make a donation then surely thats up to us. It was not handed over in return for any purchase or service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 I would not have though so. We entered the ground using our season tickets legally which we'd paid for (including giving £70 to the Treasury in the form of VAT). If we make a donation then surely thats up to us. It was not handed over in return for any purchase or service. I imagine HMRC would treat it the same way as any other income of a non-charitable institution. But could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yabba's Turd Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 I'm pretty sure there are plenty of tax free ways the club can absorb the donations, youth development non-winning raffle tickets perhaps... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodge Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 I imagine HMRC would treat it the same way as any other income of a non-charitable institution. But could be wrong. Who said we are not a non-charitable institution though? I'm sure that in terms of HMRC that the club has a "Sporting and Recreational activity/Charity" status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Who said we are not a non-charitable institution though? I'm sure that in terms of HMRC that the club has a "Sporting and Recreational activity/Charity" status. The fact that there was all this debate about adding (or not adding) the extra VAT increase to ticket prices suggests we do not operate as a VAT exempt charity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambo97 Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 The fact that there was all this debate about adding (or not adding) the extra VAT increase to ticket prices suggests we do not operate as a VAT exempt charity. Donations are not liable for VAT anyway, so the whole debate you started was pointless. There may be other tax liabilities involved but not VAT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnstone Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 My feeling is there is a general apathy to football right now. Unless Motherwell come out and actually say 'we are fucked and we need £1 million by Christmas' then I doubt many people will be putting there hands in their pockets. Also clubs can't keep expecting us fans to shell out small fortunes on our teams. We need a system in place where money is generated by not only the fans but many other sources. German football is packed to the gunnels most weeks because its cheap as chips. Why is it cheap because they have a model where all clubs in the football league get money - equally shared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 German football is packed to the gunnels most weeks because its cheap as chips. Why is it cheap because they have a model where all clubs in the football league get money - equally shared. And a big fuck off tv contract! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnstone Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 And a big fuck off tv contract! That's my point. They need to market the game far better. Stop taking second best. Teams in Sweden Norway Denmark etc are not struggling - they have tv deals and income that can allow them to worry about the quality of the team on the park and not the balance sheets. I firmly believe we will lose all our out of contract players and will not replace them like for like and it's not just us facing this problems - it's most teams in the SPL. This drives the quality down even further. All they talk about in Scottish football is the lack of money in the game. Well fucking do something about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzie Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 I'm not in a healthy enough financial situation to throw good money after bad into a black hole for no reason, but I joined the 'Well Society, but a strip every season and go to all the games. I can't really think of any other reasonable things I could do. What about this 'Well Lotto? How does that work and where can I sign up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_P Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 I'm not in a healthy enough financial situation to throw good money after bad into a black hole for no reason, but I joined the 'Well Society, but a strip every season and go to all the games. I can't really think of any other reasonable things I could do. What about this 'Well Lotto? How does that work and where can I sign up? The Lotto is a doddle Frazzle. Don't know if you can download the forms from the 'fishel or whether a call or visit to MFC is required but once set up, you are debited £4.33 a month per entry and you just forget about it really. Any winnings you get are posted out to you on a cheque. A relatively inexpensive way of supporting the club that gives the odd financial return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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