Welldaft Mk1 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 My dream (but still realistic) ending to the season would be Motherwell finishing second with ICT and Ross County finishing 3rd and 4th with all three clubs getting into Europe thanks to Celtic winning the cup. Except that cannot happen. The runners up in the Scottish Cup final will take the 4th european spot, so only 2nd and 3rd guaranteed European football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted March 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Ah well, dream over. I'll just concentrate on wanting us to finish 2nd then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daver Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Do runners up not get into Europe if Celtic win the cup rather than 4th in league? Edit: hadn't refreshed the page and was beaten to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 1363467288[/url]' post='377039']The scores since my guesses now mean that my prediction is 'Well 56 ICT 50 County 48 Utd 46 St J 45 pts Interestingly of the 10 games that have been played since then involving the teams vying for top six I got 5 of the results wrong - thats why i dont gamble With Utd dropping points, the rest of my predictions sees them edged out of the top 6 by Killie on goal difference. I now have 6 of 11 predictions wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Except that cannot happen. The runners up in the Scottish Cup final will take the 4th european spot, so only 2nd and 3rd guaranteed European football. The cup winners go into Europa league at 3rd rnd stage, SPL 2nd and 3rd will start at 2nd round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsMFC Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 The cup winners go into Europa league at 3rd rnd stage, SPL 2nd and 3rd will start at 2nd round What happens if Celtic win the cup & the runners up take the Europa place? Surely they don't go in a round after the team finishing 2nd in the league? I really hope not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 1363551428[/url]' post='377135']What happens if Celtic win the cup & the runners up take the Europa place? Surely they don't go in a round after the team finishing 2nd in the league? I really hope not. No the European slots are awarded on merit, champions first then cup winners but if these are the same the cup runners up take the 4th best slot, does that make sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 So just to be sure, we need to finish 2nd or 3rd to get into Europe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuwell Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Was there not talk about the runners up not getting the euro spot a couple of years ago after Gretna and Queens were runners up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsMFC Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 No the European slots are awarded on merit, champions first then cup winners but if these are the same the cup runners up take the 4th best slot, does that make sense? Yes mate, thanks for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommycoyne Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 I used to get up in the morning ,at 10 o'clock at night ,half an hour before I went to bed and when I woke up my dad would thrash me to sleep with his belt so work that one out:)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 1363552670[/url]' post='377138']Was there not talk about the runners up not getting the euro spot a couple of years ago after Gretna and Queens were runners up? There was but uefa insist on one place being won through the cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 So just to be sure, we need to finish 2nd or 3rd to get into Europe? That's the only way for us to qualify. but 2nd and 3rd are guranteed europa cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 With Utd dropping points, the rest of my predictions sees them edged out of the top 6 by Killie on goal difference. I now have 6 of 11 predictions wrong! Interesting set of fixtures the weekend of March 30th/Apr 1st I wouldn't touch these with a barge pole at the bookies! Hibs V Caley County V Killie St J V Dundee Utd edit: In fact I'm not even sure i know who I want to win but I think it's Hibs, Killie and StJ. Although i'd rather not see Killie make it into the top 6. another edit: Make that Hibs, Killie and Dundee utd. TOLD YOU i wasn't sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonwellfan Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Interesting set of fixtures the weekend of March 30th/Apr 1st I wouldn't touch these with a barge pole at the bookies! Hibs V Caley County V Killie St J V Dundee Utd edit: In fact I'm not even sure i know who I want to win but I think it's Hibs, Killie and StJ. Although i'd rather not see Killie make it into the top 6. another edit: Make that Hibs, Killie and Dundee utd. TOLD YOU i wasn't sure! Draws all round for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 My dream ending to the season would be Motherwell finishing top of the SPL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pettywulliegrew-2 Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Theses are the outstanding SPL pre splt fixtures.....and possible total points tally. We have,St Midden home 53 points 56 possible 71 ICT have ,StJ home 50 53 68 RCFC have Tarts away 45 48 63 St J Arabs home, ICT away 44 50 65 Killie have ,St Midden h,Dundee h 41 47 62 Sheep have ,Arabs away 41 44 59 Hivs have ,Smeltic away 40 43 58 Arabs have StJ away,Sheep home 40 46 61 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 So with the top 6 all but confirmed, how do we see the fixtures panning out? Unsure of home and away game totals as it stands for all teams, by my reckoning we have (in no particular order) Celtic (a), ICT (a), County (h), St. Johnstone (a), Kilmarnock (h). No additional revenue raised with a visit of them along the M74... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzie Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 It's a poor top-six in terms of travelling support for us. If things run in sequence for us, which there's no guarantee they will, our fixtures should be, by my reckoning: April 20th - Ross County (H) April 27th - St Johnstone (A) May 4th - Kilmarnock (H) May 11th - Inverness (A) May 18th - Celtic (A) Having said that, they have messed about with the order before but that is the order we have faced these teams in so far this season. If it pans out like that, the Inverness game on the 11th could be massive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weesacs Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 are the fixtures not totally screwed because all the diddy teams have finished in the top 6? for eg - If it were to be based on who has played who already home and away, Celtic would only be playing Killie away, and the other 5 games at home? and probably for the first time since the split came into effect, no "big" teams in there to help boost the attendances and put money into the kitty - I cant see any of those teams bringing a big support to Fir Park - maybe the South Stand has been used for the last time this season! re the Scottish Cup - i was under the impression that Celtic winning it would help us too, thought they changed the rules about the runners up after the Dunfermline(?), QoS and Gretna games I thought.........if you win it, you have gained European Qualification. If Celtic win the cup and win the league - you take the higher place, which in this case is the league, as it gets you into the Champ Lge - then the European spot allocated to the Scottish Cup is then passed to the league (this never used to happen, the runners up got it) I 'think' the Scottish Cup holds a higher place than that of the league standing - therefore whoever gets this spot, enters at a later stage. Not sure how the Scottish co-efficient looks now after Scotland losing its Champ Lge place Another angle..........if it were a Motherwell v Celtic final, Celtic win the league and we finish 2nd, and they won the cup - we would be allocated the Cup place as it has a higher standing than finishing 2nd. And our 2nd place spot would go to 3rd, and 3rd would go to 4th Not sure if that is correct or I have explained it well!!!!! lol So someone feel free to correct me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambo97 Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 So with the top 6 all but confirmed, how do we see the fixtures panning out? Unsure of home and away game totals as it stands for all teams, by my reckoning we have (in no particular order) Celtic (a), ICT (a), County (h), St. Johnstone (a), Kilmarnock (h). No additional revenue raised with a visit of them along the M74... There is still 4 teams that can get the 6th spot, so it's hardly all but confirmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyS88 Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 re the Scottish Cup - i was under the impression that Celtic winning it would help us too, thought they changed the rules about the runners up after the Dunfermline(?), QoS and Gretna games I thought.........if you win it, you have gained European Qualification. If Celtic win the cup and win the league - you take the higher place, which in this case is the league, as it gets you into the Champ Lge - then the European spot allocated to the Scottish Cup is then passed to the league (this never used to happen, the runners up got it) I 'think' the Scottish Cup holds a higher place than that of the league standing - therefore whoever gets this spot, enters at a later stage. Not sure how the Scottish co-efficient looks now after Scotland losing its Champ Lge place Another angle..........if it were a Motherwell v Celtic final, Celtic win the league and we finish 2nd, and they won the cup - we would be allocated the Cup place as it has a higher standing than finishing 2nd. And our 2nd place spot would go to 3rd, and 3rd would go to 4th Not sure if that is correct or I have explained it well!!!!! lol So someone feel free to correct me! We tried to get that system in place but UEFA told us they needed at least one European place from the Cup. Nae idea what would've happened if it was an Old Firm final back when we had 2 CL places tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 There is still 4 teams that can get the 6th spot, so it's hardly all but confirmed. Kilmarnock have a game in hand at home, then play the bottom team in the league and and have what looks like an unassailable goal difference (unless something bizarre happens) so you'd have to imagine they are strong favourites. Hibs haven't won an away match in the league since November so 3 points at Celtic Park seems unlikely and Aberdeen and Dundee Utd play each other so only one of them can win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 No the European slots are awarded on merit, champions first then cup winners but if these are the same the cup runners up take the 4th best slot, does that make sense? Does that mean then that if Celtic win the cup then the 4th best European slot ie EL 2nd qualifying will go to Hibs or Falkirk...in which case SPL 3rd would take the other round 2 place and SPL 2nd ie Motherwell would enter at Q3 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Grew Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 I had worked out that if the current top 6 remain unchanged then after the split our fixtures in no particular order, would be: Kilmarnock (H)Celtic (A)Ross County (H)St. Johnstone (H)ICT (A) I don't know if this is correct though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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