Lobey_Dosser Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Chick Young mentioned on Sportsound months ago that this had been voted through in the quiet. Nobody picked him up on it so I wasn't sure if he was correct or no. Just to clarify did Aberdeen not vote against this earlier in the season and were accused of being greedy? Not like Motherwell to lack any balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 It's just sad! While I see the benefit, of 11 teams, 1 gets less, 1 gets the same, 9 get slightly more, how the fuck did they allow celtic to keep their share? Effectively increasing the gap between celtic and the rest! Obviously with us sitting 2nd, it could be us that takes the hit for this, but even if we finished 4th and actually end up slightly better off, I'm still disgusted by it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Motherwell are the only club who currently stand to lose, so quite conceivable it was 11-1, with us the only team against. Stinks though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilian Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 It's just sad! While I see the benefit, of 11 teams, 1 gets less, 1 gets the same, 9 get slightly more, how the fuck did they allow celtic to keep their share? Effectively increasing the gap between celtic and the rest! Obviously with us sitting 2nd, it could be us that takes the hit for this, but even if we finished 4th and actually end up slightly better off, I'm still disgusted by it!! What needs to be remembered Is league income is likely to be down due to 'exceptional' circumstances So as its a change for one season only, the other nine will not be better off than previous seasons,they'll just not be hit as hard Third spot are the losers here And the only winners are......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roly Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Motherwell are the only club who currently stand to lose, so quite conceivable it was 11-1, with us the only team against. The document say's it's effective from the 3rd of December. You'd think that even at this point there are still a few clubs eyeing the second spot I can understand every club being happy the gap between 2nd and 3rd being reduced. Can't figure out why any other than Celtic would want to leave the top spot untouched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcalf Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 I'm not even surprised at any of the sh*te they try to pull anymore, and the sad thing about it is I've just about stopped caring. The more things change the more they stay the same. Sad though that in the 'new' open era we are still witnessing the same old same old, I very much doubt things will ever change so maybe I'll do a new book called "What is the fucking point" as we are getting very near that stage with many fans I'm sure. Over to you Official MFC, time for some clarification I reckon, long overdue right enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnstone Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 It staggering that when times are so tight and clubs are scraping for every penny they feel that its right to vote in a system that could potentially cost the club thousands of pounds 'if' we were to finish second. Motherwell and all the other clubs must come out and explain this decision to the fans as we are the ones trying to go the extra mile for our clubs only for it to get spat back in our faces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamH Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Should the 'Well Society not have been made aware of this as it's a pretty big change? I'd like to know what the clubs stance on this was as I'd be pretty pissed off if we were being asked to pump money in at one end while they were agreeing to changes like this that could potentially lose us a fortune in prize money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Im not angry at Motherwell or anyone else who happens to finish 2nd losing the 2nd place war chest, its what we wanted overall. Im angry that the redistribution of incomes has been done without touching the top team. Looking down 2nd-12th, the SPL have so nearly got it correct. The formula position of equal blocks of prize money moving down dependant upon final league position is sound. Its what happens in the EPL. The problem is that 1st place is not considered and not part of the formula. If they want redistribution then redistribute the prize money, its not rocket science! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilian Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 It staggering that when times are so tight and clubs are scraping for every penny they feel that its right to vote in a system that could potentially cost the club thousands of pounds 'if' we were to finish second. Motherwell and all the other clubs must come out and explain this decision to the fans as we are the ones trying to go the extra mile for our clubs only for it to get spat back in our faces. I have no doubt a decision had to be made to spread money down the league Simply on the basis of survival due to the drastic drop in expected income both at league level and club level And would definitely back the club for choosing to redistribute funds from a potential second spot to shore up every club rather than be blinkered as you suggest and gamble everything league and all on us getting second (if we were one of eleven?) BUT I can not fathom how or why eleven clubs that voted for this could not have just said to the other club while we're at it 3 or 4% is getting shared from top spot, dammit even a token 1or2% Unjustifiable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilian Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Should the 'Well Society not have been made aware of this as it's a pretty big change? I'd like to know what the clubs stance on this was as I'd be pretty pissed off if we were being asked to pump money in at one end while they were agreeing to changes like this that could potentially lose us a fortune in prize money. Getting mixed signals from that and some other posters What do we want, redistribution of prize money for a fairer league or do you think we should be taking rangers place and fuck the rest of them (that means fuck us as we're nowhere near strong enough to tie up first or second) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 I have no doubt a decision had to be made to spread money down the league Simply on the basis of survival due to the drastic drop in expected income both at league level and club level And would definitely back the club for choosing to redistribute funds from a potential second spot to shore up every club rather than be blinkered as you suggest and gamble everything league and all on us getting second (if we were one of eleven?) BUT I can not fathom how or why eleven clubs that voted for this could not have just said to the other club while we're at it 3 or 4% is getting shared from top spot, dammit even a token 1or2% Unjustifiable Spot on! Why would 11 clubs NOT vote for that? With only 1 club ever going to finish 1st, why did the other 11 not vote to take some of their share too?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modernist Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 I'm all for the redistribution of the wealth for the good of the game. The media reported the matter as thus..... What changed ? Jan 13, 2013 – PETER LAWWELL has admitted Cetic are still plotting an exit ... the top two teams in the SPL will be giving up well in excess of a million pounds ... Lawwell - Daily Record Story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roly Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Getting more and more pissed off about this as I think about it. We've got a nice 0.5% increment from the bottom of the league up to second. Then a jump to 6.5% to 1st!? A mamoth 13 times greater than the other gaps. In percentage terms the prize money for finishing second is closer to the prize money for finishing bottom than it is first! This must be some kind of pisstake! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamH Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Getting mixed signals from that and some other postersWhat do we want, redistribution of prize money for a fairer league or do you think we should be taking rangers place and fuck the rest of them (that means fuck us as we're nowhere near strong enough to tie up first or second) I'm happy for there to be a redistribution of prize money if it includes all league positions. However, I'm not happy if Motherwell have voted in favour of a change that lets first place (which will only be Celtic for the forseeable future) keep all of their prize money while second place (which we have a better chance than most of finishing in) loses a fortune. Would this happen if Rangers were still in the league and will it revert to the way it was if/when Sevco get to the top division? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsMFC Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 I'm all for the redistribution of prize money to assist all teams in these difficult times but as most are saying, no way should Celtic be left untouched. They are after all the 1 club who can most afford to lose income, & don't think the amount would have any significant effect on a club their size. If we were to finish second, which we hopefully will, we'll still be looking at an increase on last season. Would be great to take that big slice but like I say, would be happy for a fairer allocation of the pot if it's done fairly to all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siebsbarmyarmy Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Just smacks of all the clubs looking at the short term financial and worst case scenario. Instead of saying 'no fuck it we have a chance at 2 I want the big chunk' they have went 'oh we might finish 6th and if we do we will get that .5% more'. In relation to1st place everyone knew who would win the league, Celtic have went you ain't getting ours just take all Rangers cash!!! And as such everyone has just taken the crumbs from their table and ran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuwell Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Like everyone else I'm not happy with this only on the grounds that the prize for 1st has not been redistributed along side the prize for second. Personally I don't think that we will finish second so don't see us losing out but the thought that the richest club in the country has managed to avoid taking some of the pain that we are all feeling is a kick in the balls to much! The SPL should be made to answer the question why this has occurred, at the moment I will give our club the benefit of the doubt but I expect them to now come out and explain their role in this, how they voted and what the actual vote was. Failure to do so will lead to me not returning to FP until our board is removed or a fairer distribution is announced - maybe a day if action is called for here where we boycott FP for a game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 The SPL are a bunch of utter fuckwits And the Well Society is the biggest con since snake oil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladesman Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 The fact that Celtic's prize money has been left untouched is an absolute disgrace, and the 11 other club representatives should hang their heads in shame. I can understand why there would be a move to redistribute the winnings in a fairer way, but this yet again seems very underhand(no surprise there with Donkey and co) but why haven't our board flagged up this change in the rules happening midway through the season. What has happened to the transparency and move towards fans being in control. Surely those fans representatives should have been consulted. Worrying if not and even more worrying if they had and this was not passed on to the other members of the Well Society for discussion and comment. I've just checked the newsletters and no mention at all of the changes in prize money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welldaft Mk1 Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 The SPL are a bunch of utter fuckwits And the Well Society is the biggest con since snake oil Well that all depends. I have invested significantly in the Well Society and knew that my money would go to Motherwell Football Club in some form or other. Perfectly happy with that. Not quite sure what you were anticipating the Well Society to be or represent. I would say that Motherwell have been more open and sharing that virtually every other club in the SPL this season. the Well Society did not or does not mean that every aspect of the clubs business would be shared with the fans and why should it be. In saying all that I cannot believe like the rest of us that the richest club in the league and a club that has just taken in another £20m + from Champions League cannot expected to take a cut like very other SPL club. They would argue that they are the reason we still have a TV deal, but hardly the point. Quite unbelievable and unreasonable in equal measure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roly Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 http://m.stv.tv/sport/blog/196856-why-aberdeen-joined-celtic-in-delaying-change-to-the-spl-voting-structure/ This news story suggests Aberdeen voted against changing the voting structure in order to hit the jackpot by finishing second. Is it possible Aberdeen voted with Celtic to veto more equitable prize money split. Then the rest of the clubs came up with this structure to get Celtic onside and to leave the Sheep looking like fuds? *removes tinfoil hat* If so I really hope we pump the c***s tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Well that all depends. I have invested significantly in the Well Society Quite a few of us have mate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 http://m.stv.tv/spor...ting-structure/ This news story suggests Aberdeen voted against changing the voting structure in order to hit the jackpot by finishing second. Is it possible Aberdeen voted with Celtic to veto more equitable prize money split. Then the rest of the clubs came up with this structure to get Celtic onside and to leave the Sheep looking like fuds? *removes tinfoil hat* If so I really hope we pump the c***s tomorrow. that what looks like has happened. the diddy clubs get together to make the distribution fairer but aberdeen say no. the other ten then meet with celtic to at least get some re-distribution through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Time for a statement Motherwell Football Club. If a few young guys with smoke bombs merits a statement then this certainly does as well! Bet we won't get one though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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