League Re-Construction

[nethertonwellfan]

it's possible that since reconstruction is a 10-2 voting issue the spl might attempt to hand this over to the sfa board even if st mirren and county don't want that.

For the SFA to step in both the SFL and the SPL need to suspend their rule books. Do you think they would get the 11-1 votes to do that?

[steelboy]

For the SFA to step in both the SFL and the SPL need to suspend their rule books. Do you think they would get the 11-1 votes to do that?

 

as i posted above reconstruction only needs 10 votes for some reason. it's possible that they will use that as an excuse to pass it on to the sfa.

 

giving the responsibility on reconstruction to the people who employed burley, employed levein, didn't sack levein and commisioned a report who's suggestion to improve scottish football was to spend half a billion pounds on facilites is beyond belief.

[nethertonwellfan]

as i posted above reconstruction only needs 10 votes for some reason. it's possible that they will use that as an excuse to pass it on to the sfa.

 

giving the responsibility on reconstruction to the people who employed burley, employed levein, didn't sack levein and commisioned a report who's suggestion to improve scottish football was to spend half a billion pounds on facilites is beyond belief.

 

They got 10-2 the other day and it failed.

[NottsMFC]

as i posted above reconstruction only needs 10 votes for some reason. it's possible that they will use that as an excuse to pass it on to the sfa.

 

giving the responsibility on reconstruction to the people who employed burley, employed levein, didn't sack levein and commisioned a report who's suggestion to improve scottish football was to spend half a billion pounds on facilites is beyond belief.

 

The St Mirren statement yesterday lists the things that are ringfenced to 11-1 & league reconstruction is 1 of them.

[steelboy]

They got 10-2 the other day and it failed.

 

a bit of googling and it looks like the 10-2 vote is to change the number of teams in the league.

[Brazilian]

The St Mirren statement yesterday lists the things that are ringfenced to 11-1 & league reconstruction is 1 of them.

the St Mirren statement was about the new proposals not the current setup

[NottsMFC]

the St Mirren statement was about the new proposals not the current setup

 

In the statement they listed the items that require 11-1 vote in the current setup, league reconstruction was 1 of them.

 

I'm unable to copy & paste it on this tablet for some reason, but if you have a look at it on page 7 of this thread, it's there.

 

EDIT: Just read it again & it does say they are described as Qualified Resolutions in the proposed rules.

 

Still, as NWF said, if it was 10-2, the proposal would've gone through on Monday

Edited April 17, 2013 by NottsMFC

[Brazilian]

In the statement they listed the items that require 11-1 vote in the current setup, league reconstruction was 1 of them.

 

I'm unable to copy & paste it on this tablet for some reason, but if you have a look at it on page 7 of this thread, it's there.

trust what you read on the internet ?

 

or you could google the rule or articles of the SPL, and read the regulations on the internet or just read them here to save you the effort

 

Special Qualified Resolutions (83%)

(e) any expansion of the League by the addition or admission of new

members (other than as a result of the operation of the Rules

governing promotion/relegation between the League and the SFL);

(f) any reduction in the number of members of the League (other than as

a result of a member ceasing to be a member of the League in

accordance with the Rules and/or these Articles);

(g) the allotment and issue of a Share;

 

 

EDIT: Just read it again & it does say they are described as Qualified Resolutions in the proposed rules.

 

Still, as NWF said, if it was 10-2, the proposal would've gone through on Monday

 

it was all or nothing on friday so needed 90% for the other points, re construction on its own wasnt on the vote list

[NottsMFC]

Cheers, it all makes sense now, I think

[fatcalf]

See if we weren't allowed to cherry pick aspects of the deal we liked, how comes Celtic & the Sheep tried to do just that by offering to change the voting for a part they chose to try to push it through?

[nethertonwellfan]

See if we weren't allowed to cherry pick aspects of the deal we liked, how comes Celtic & the Sheep tried to do just that by offering to change the voting for a part they chose to try to push it through?

Because they are slime ball bully hypocritical fuckwits of the highest order, that's why.

[weeyin]

See if we weren't allowed to cherry pick aspects of the deal we liked, how comes Celtic & the Sheep tried to do just that by offering to change the voting for a part they chose to try to push it through?

 

Because it was still the case that you had to take all or none. If there had been cherry picking involved St Mirren (or whoever) could have taken the financing and the governance but left the league reconstruction on the table.

[fatcalf]

Because it was still the case that you had to take all or none. If there had been cherry picking involved St Mirren (or whoever) could have taken the financing and the governance but left the league reconstruction on the table.

 

 

Sauce for the goose and all that though, if they can offer to change 11-1 voting structure for their own ends they can offer it for the rest of the package, no-one see any merit in that suggestion?

(I know we all can see it cos it's blatantly fucking obvious but why do these fuckers get such an easy ride whilst displaying such blatant hypocrisy)

[well-army]

http://www.scottishfootballleague.com/news/article/press-statement-96

 

Thursday 18th April 2013

 

RESPONSE TO SFA OFFER OF MEDIATION AND ASSISTANCE

The Board of the Scottish Football League wishes to convey its thanks to the governing body for its offer of assistance at this time.

 

We are, however, currently working with SFL clubs in all divisions with a view to agreeing an alternative way forward which builds on the five core principles. We would like to confirm our continued commitment to those principles. We are also very keen to share our proposals with the SPL and the SFA as soon as practical.

 

We therefore respectfully wish to ask the SFA to work with us at this time, whilst we progress our proposals.

 

 

[Special aka]

Of all the Club Chairmen we've had to endure lately, Gilmore and Macgregor have come across the most upfront, transparent and honest.

 

Did anyone give Milne his dummy back

[Haggischomper]

 

 

Did anyone give Milne his dummy back

 

Craig Broon is adamant he is staying retired at this time...

[Villageman]

Of all the Club Chairmen we've had to endure lately, Gilmore and Macgregor have come across the most upfront, transparent and honest.

 

Did anyone give Milne his dummy back

 

 

Craig Broon is adamant he is staying retired at this time...

 

 

Bit slow but I got there eventually. Might have to change name to village idiot

[Wellfan1984]

STV have done some "digging". There final assessment of the matter is the same as most people here - only an idiot would think that league structure is a good idea. The scenarios that fuck the whole system with regards to "less meaningless games" are:

 

Scenario one: One team may have no interest in a match that decides the championship title.

 

One side from the top eight and one from the bottom have an outstanding match to play. For argument’s sake, say Celtic’s match against Aberdeen at Pittodrie was postponed.

 

If Celtic are in first place in the league and Aberdeen are 12th when each has played 21 games, and all other top-flight teams have played 22, then C14 allows the split to take place. Aberdeen’s points are set to zero when they enter the middle eight in the second phase.

 

The re-arranged fixture is scheduled for midweek between post-split games. Aberdeen could have a crucial match the following Saturday against a relegation rival.

 

The game has to be played since Celtic are chasing the title. Aberdeen, however, would have nothing competitively to gain from the match as their points have already been reset to zero.

 

Aberdeen would be expected to play a full-strength side to maintain the integrity of the title race, while facing a match that could define their season just days later.

 

Scenario two: Sides in the middle eight play a game that is literally pointless.

 

Instead of Aberdeen, let’s say St Mirren and Dundee have an outstanding match to play. After 21 games Dundee can’t rise higher than 12th, St Mirren are locked into 11th place. Rule C14 says the split can take place and second phase games begin.

 

St Mirren and Dundee both have their points reset to zero and begin contesting the promotion/relegation places with six other sides.

 

The outstanding game would have to be rescheduled, presumably in midweek, possibly days before the teams face each other in their middle eight game.

 

The re-arranged game applies to the league before the split so would have no bearing on promotion/relegation and would carry no meaningful points as the points gained from the phase of the competition where it applies have already been wiped. Neither team would have a competitive reason to win the fixture.

 

The only scenario in which this game would have an impact is where the sides could not affect the league placing of others but could swap places in the first phase table, changing the prize money earned at that point. For example, the difference between 11th and 12th after 22 games is worth £86,000.

[Special aka]

Bit slow but I got there eventually. Might have to change name to village idiot

 

[gilmour]

Just about had enough of this circus.

[Gaag]

Maybe we should just go back to basics

 

Remember these days?

 

The Rules of School Football

 

Duration

 

Matches shall be played over three unequal periods: two playtimes and a lunchtime. Each of these periods shall begin shortly after the ringing of a bell, and although a bell is also rung towards the end of these periods, play may continue for up to ten minutes afterwards, depending on the nihilism or "bottle" of the participants with regard to corporal punishment met out to latecomers back to the classroom. In practice there is a sliding scale of nihilism, from those who hasten to stand in line as soon as the bell rings, known as "poofs", through those who will hang on until the time they estimate it takes the teachers to down the last of their gins and journey from the staffroom, known as "chancers", and finally to those who will hang on until a teacher actually has to physically retrieve them, known as "bampots".

This sliding scale is intended to radically alter the logistics of a match in progress, often having dramatic effects on the scoreline as the number of remaining participants drops. It is important, therefore, in picking the sides, to achieve a fair balance of poofs, chancers and bampots in order that the scoreline achieved over a sustained period of play - a lunchtime, for instance - is not totally nullified by a five-minute post-bell onslaught of five bampots against one. The scoreline to be carried over from the previous period of the match is in the trust of the last bampots to leave the field of play, and may be the matter of some debate. This must be resolved in one of the approved manners (see Adjudication).

 

Parameters

 

The object is to force the ball between two large, unkempt piles of jackets, in lieu of goalposts. These piles may grow or shrink throughout the match, depending on the number of participants and the prevailing weather. As the number of players increases, so shall the piles. Each jacket added to the pile by a new addition to a side should be placed on the inside, nearest the goalkeeper, thus reducing the target area. It is also important that the sleeve of one of the jackets should jut out across the goalmouth, as it will often be claimed that the ball went "over the post" and it can henceforth be asserted that the outstretched sleeve denotes the innermost part of the pile and thus the inside of the post. The on-going reduction of the size of the goal is the responsibility of any respectable defence and should be undertaken conscientiously with resourcefulness and imagination. In the absence of a crossbar, the upper limit of the target area is observed as being slightly above head height, although when the height at which a ball passed between the jackets is in dispute, judgement shall lie with an arbitrary adjudicator from one of the sides. He is known as the "best fighter"; his decision is final and may be enforced with physical violence if anyone wants to stretch a point.

 

There are no pitch markings. Instead, physical objects denote the boundaries, ranging from the most common - walls and buildings - to roads or burns. Corners and throw-ins are redundant where bylines or touchlines are denoted by a two-storey building or a six-foot granite wall. Instead, a scrum should be instigated to decide possession. This should begin with the ball trapped between the brickwork and two opposing players, and should escalate to include as many team members as can get there before the now egg-shaped ball finally emerges, drunkenly and often with a dismembered foot and shin attached. At this point, goalkeepers should look out for the player who takes possession of the escaped ball and begins bearing down on goal, as most of those involved in the scrum will be unaware that the ball is no longer amidst their feet.

 

The goalkeeper should also try not to be distracted by the inevitable fighting that has by this point broken out. In games on large open spaces, the length of the pitch is obviously denoted by the jacket piles, but the width is a variable. In the absence of roads, water hazards or "a big dug", the width is determined by how far out the attacking winger has to meander before the pursuing defender gets fed up and lets him head back towards where the rest of the players are waiting, often as far as quarter of a mile away. It is often observed that the playing area is "no' a full-size pitch". This can be invoked verbally to justify placing a wall of players eighteen inches from the ball at direct free kicks It is the formal response to "yards", which the kick-taker will incant meaninglessly as he places the ball.

 

The Ball

 

There is a variety of types of ball approved for Primary School Football. I shall describe three notable examples.

 

1. The plastic balloon.

An extremely lightweight model, used primarily in the early part of the season and seldom after that due to having burst. Identifiable by blue pentagonal panelling and the names of that year's Premier League sides printed all over it. Advantages: low sting factor, low burst-nose probability, cheap, discourages a long-ball game. Disadvantages: over-susceptible to influence of the wind, difficult to control, almost magnetically drawn to flat school roofs whence never to return.

2. The rough-finish Mitre.

Half football, half Portuguese Man o' War. On the verge of a ban in the European Court of Human Rights, this model is not for sale to children. Used exclusively by teachers during gym classes as a kind of aversion therapy. Made from highly durable fibre-glass, stuffed with neutron star and coated with dead jellyfish.

 

Advantages: looks quite grown up, makes for high-scoring matches (keepers won't even attempt to catch it).

Disadvantages: scars or maims anything it touches.

 

3. The "Tubey".

Genuine leather ball, identifiable by brown all-over colouring. Was once black and white, before ravages of games on concrete, but owners can never remember when. Adored by everybody, especially keepers. Advantages: feels good, easily controlled, makes a satisfying "whump" noise when you kick it.

 

Disadvantages: turns into medicine ball when wet, smells like a dead dog.

 

Offside

There is no offside, for two reasons:

one, "it's no' a full-size pitch", and

two, none of the players actually know what offside is.

 

The lack of an offside rule gives rise to a unique sub-division of strikers. These players hang around the opposing goalmouth while play carries on at the other end, awaiting a long pass forward out of defence which they can help past the keeper before running the entire length of the pitch with their arms in the air to greet utterly imaginary adulation. These are known variously as "poachers", "gloryhunters" and "fly wee bastarts". These players display a remarkable degree of self-security, seemingly happy in their own appraisals of their achievements, and caring little for their team-mates' failure to appreciate the contribution they have made. They know that it can be for nothing other than their enviable goal tallies that they are so bitterly despised.

 

Adjudication

 

The absence of a referee means that disputes must be resolved between the opposing teams rather than decided by an arbiter. There are two accepted ways of doing this.

1. Compromise.

An arrangement is devised that is found acceptable by both sides. Sway is usually given to an action that is in accordance with the spirit of competition, ensuring that the game does not turn into "a pure skoosh". For example, in the event of a dispute as to whether the ball in fact crossed the line, or whether the ball has gone inside or "over" the post, the attacking side may offer the ultimatum: "Penalty or goal." It is not recorded whether any side has ever opted for the latter. It is on occasions that such arrangements or ultimata do not prove acceptable to both sides that the second adjudicatory method comes into play.

2. Fighting.

Those up on their ancient Hellenic politics will understand that the concept we know as "justice" rests in these circumstances with the hand of the strong. What the winner says, goes, and what the winner says is just, for who shall dispute him? It is by such noble philosophical principles that the supreme adjudicator, or Best Fighter, is effectively elected.

 

Team Selection

 

To ensure a fair and balanced contest, teams are selected democratically in a turns-about picking process, with either side beginning as a one-man selection committee and growing from there. The initial selectors are usually the recognised two Best Players of the assembled group. Their first selections will be the two recognised Best Fighters, to ensure a fair balance in the adjudication process, and to ensure that they don't have their own performances impaired throughout the match by profusely bleeding noses. They will then proceed to pick team-mates in a roughly meritocratic order, selecting on grounds of skill and tactical awareness, but not forgetting that while there is a sliding scale of players' ability, there is also a sliding scale of players' brutality and propensities towards motiveless violence. A selecting captain might baffle a talented striker by picking the less nimble Big Jazza ahead of him, and may explain, perhaps in the words of Linden B Johnson upon his retention of J Edgar Hoover as the head of the FBI, that he'd "rather have him inside the tent ****ing out, than outside the tent ****ing in".

Special consideration is also given during the selection process to the owner of the ball. It is tacitly acknowledged to be "his gemme", and he must be shown a degree of politeness for fear that he takes the huff at being picked late and withdraws his favours.

[texanwellfan]

BRILLIANT Gaag

[Special aka]

BRILLIANT Gaag

 

The Ashy down North Lodge every day during school hols in the 70's. Great days

[texanwellfan]

The Ashy down North Lodge every day during school hols in the 70's. Great days

 

 

Where was the Ashy in north lodge? I lived in Coursington tower down by Calder park but would run up to north lodge and we would play in the park at George street i think it was called. That would be about '70 - ,73

[StipeIsGod]

Gaag, that is fucking wonderful.